Yeah afaik thidranki was pretty popular (level 24) on live and lots of people stayed there.

Funkling wrote:Yeah afaik thidranki was pretty popular (level 24) on live and lots of people stayed there.

You are correct. Even more, there were also battlegrounds for LVL 25-39, LVL 30-35 and - later on - LVL 15-19 with a considerableand and sometimes quite huge amount of players there. But, guess what: Nevertheless there were far more people in big RvR than there were in the battlegrounds, especially in the evening hours when most people were online. So the battlegrounds did not influence big RvR in a negative way. They were mainly used as a possibility to waste some time when there was nothing else to do.

As I stated before: There are people that play in the battlegrounds only and by no means can be convinced to play in big RvR. Those people form a minority of the daoc community. For the majority of the daoc community BGs are the small fun in between being used as a relaxing alternative to level-grind and it is neither fair nor thought wisely to punish them for some backwarded people.

So, my suggestion: Why not stick to Gemma's ideas and turn off both /xpoff and rp gain in battlegrounds but allow people to play there at will? (this ofc in the corresponding level-range of each battleground, i.e. 20-35, 36-43, 44-49) This way people have no other reason to play there than either just for the fun of RvR action or to work on their exp by either taking the battlegound's keep or simply exping in the battleground. If they want to play there with realm abilities or more general even want to have any realm abilities they must earn them in big RvR regions.

Please, really take this into consideration and let us have a productive discussion about it!

Der_Eisbaer wrote:

Funkling wrote:Yeah afaik thidranki was pretty popular (level 24) on live and lots of people stayed there.

As I stated before: There are people that play in the battlegrounds only and by no means can be convinced to play in big RvR. Those people form a minority of the daoc community. For the majority of the daoc community BGs are the small fun in between being used as a relaxing alternative to level-grind and it is neither fair nor thought wisely to punish them for some backwarded people.

Exactly! I can understand that Nayru says we currently just don't have the resources, but when then OF and Old RA wave of work passes (this will take a long time I'm sure, but still) it's really worth implementing. I believe a new BG will help the server WAY more than harm it. Why? New players will get to get RAs to help them PvE aswell as BGs are a nice alternative to the INSANELY boring grind.
Like said above, the BG grinders will exist any way, whether it starts at 25 or 35, it doesn't matter! They will grind themselves up to that anyway. And besides it's just a ridiculously small minority as long as the RvR zone is as it should be. So instead of fearing some threat that's here already anyways, just improve how new players experience the server instead? If you guys want people to come and play here, then get rid of that lvl 1-30 grind before RvR! (If you really wanna make it attractive, make lvling just a little bit easier aswell, but that's a different topic)

Der_Eisbaer wrote:So, my suggestion: Why not stick to Gemma's ideas and turn off both /xpoff and rp gain in battlegrounds but allow people to play there at will? (this ofc in the corresponding level-range of each battleground, i.e. 20-35, 36-43, 44-49) This way people have no other reason to play there than either just for the fun of RvR action or to work on their exp by either taking the battlegound's keep or simply exping in the battleground. If they want to play there with realm abilities or more general even want to have any realm abilities they must earn them in big RvR regions.

Please, really take this into consideration and let us have a productive discussion about it!

No, there's no point in doing this because people will always stumble upon RR7+ people and with this system they'll be 1L1. Pointless.
Not to mention this way it will be possible to actually stay in the BGs longer than now. /xp off or not, people that don't want to lvl can find enough ways to prevent them from doing that, so any /xp off discussion is pointless. The only way to prevent people from farming BGs is having and Realm Level cap combined with not having the /rp off command, which is how it works now and how it works best.

So, just keep the system but add a lower level BG, simple as that. I've heard too many new players say: "Oh it's a good server I like the classic bit, but the grind.. pff it's just too much, I even rather play live then." - And yes, even at levels below 30.

Zarkor wrote:I've heard too many new players say: "Oh it's a good server I like the classic bit, but the grind.. pff it's just too much, I even rather play live then." - And yes, even at levels below 30.

This is very true unfortunately.

Zarkor wrote:

Der_Eisbaer wrote:So, my suggestion: Why not stick to Gemma's ideas and turn off both /xpoff and rp gain in battlegrounds but allow people to play there at will? (this ofc in the corresponding level-range of each battleground, i.e. 20-35, 36-43, 44-49) This way people have no other reason to play there than either just for the fun of RvR action or to work on their exp by either taking the battlegound's keep or simply exping in the battleground. If they want to play there with realm abilities or more general even want to have any realm abilities they must earn them in big RvR regions.

Please, really take this into consideration and let us have a productive discussion about it!

No, there's no point in doing this because people will always stumble upon RR7+ people and with this system they'll be 1L1. Pointless.

Umm, i thought it would be good for the first BG. In the three other BGs it can stay as it is imo. So only possibility to meet a RR7 guy while being 1l1 would be if u meet high-rr realmmates or go with lvl20-24 (when Baremar would be 25-35) to NF.

Gemma wrote:

Zarkor wrote:

Der_Eisbaer wrote:So, my suggestion: Why not stick to Gemma's ideas and turn off both /xpoff and rp gain in battlegrounds but allow people to play there at will? (this ofc in the corresponding level-range of each battleground, i.e. 20-35, 36-43, 44-49) This way people have no other reason to play there than either just for the fun of RvR action or to work on their exp by either taking the battlegound's keep or simply exping in the battleground. If they want to play there with realm abilities or more general even want to have any realm abilities they must earn them in big RvR regions.

Please, really take this into consideration and let us have a productive discussion about it!

No, there's no point in doing this because people will always stumble upon RR7+ people and with this system they'll be 1L1. Pointless.

Umm, i thought it would be good for the first BG. In the three other BGs it can stay as it is imo. So only possibility to meet a RR7 guy while being 1l1 would be if u meet high-rr realmmates or go with lvl20-24 (when Baremar would be 25-35) to NF.

I don't think this is a good idea for a 2 main reasons.

- Realm points (and especially the first few) will give you quicker access to very helpful abilities such as MCL for instance. These are very useful in PvE and make it a bit more attractive to pick up the grind again.
- I don't see the reason not to have RP gain, since it would only allow players to make an everlasting 'BG-camp-char' which is what we're trying to avoid.

I like it as it is except for Braemar's large level range. Splitting it into two BGs would be OK.

And what's with people thinking this grind is too much? I'm leveling way faster than I ever did on Live, and my primary focus is farming for gold to craft with leveling as a side bonus.

Granted, when I played Live it was before SI, all these xp bonuses, and without a buffbot.

Holycannoli wrote:I like it as it is except for Braemar's large level range. Splitting it into two BGs would be OK.

And what's with people thinking this grind is too much? I'm leveling way faster than I ever did on Live, and my primary focus is farming for gold to craft with leveling as a side bonus.

Granted, when I played Live it was before SI, all these xp bonuses, and without a buffbot.

Of course live was frickin slow after release because people didn't know either good hunting spots, how to form good grps and how to play their class.

After all this time, people DO know about it, but still, we're xping SLOW for what we know. Because of no-BBs, low server pop and classic XP rate. AND because we're already grown accustomed to various other ways of XPing, which makes the current setting feel slower.

So, compared to what's out there at this time Uthgard is VERY slow. Compared to when the game launched of course, it's fast, but that's a completely different world, so not a valid base for a comparison.

Well then I can say they're crybabies for leaving because of the grind This is faster than true classic, considerably faster.

mh i dont think the xp rate is to low. It took me 2 Days whit my cleric to exp from 46-50. Whit a good grp in Thid i made one lvl in 2hours from lvl 41- 46 and i needed 1 hour per lvl from 35- 40 with chainpull in Wilton. Ok this was about 2years ago but i dont think the spots in the bgs where changed, and with some inc in time it was not that boring^^.
From lvl 1- 30 i made in 2 maybe 3 days. So u can say u can gain lvl 50 in 2 weeks if u know what u do and where to exp.

There are some ppl here with tons of 50ers in all realms, so it cant be that hard ^^. I mean to be lvl 50 should be something, but if u guys only exp to reach thid and 4l0(!?) and then reroll ur char its clear that the exping time is to long .

So stop exping, get ur 50er and start to make some f***ing rvr ^^

i want a level 1-4 BG! i would roll new toons all day xD

Hi all, I'm relatively new, just began levelling up.

I read about 50% of this thread. I believe it was mentioned, but I think a good solution is to have the lower level BG's and just disallow players from turning off RP and XP gain and having the low caps.

I played on Lancelot for 3 years, and Guinever before that, and some of the most fun I had was in Thidranki.

I believe the cap there was 125 RP or something, and a cap of level 24. If people hit that cap they are forced to move on/level if they want to do more BGing.

I don't see the harm in this as clearly players could do the same in the current Braemar, but at 35. If players get a taste of RvR at the lower level, they may be enticed to stay, rather than suffer another 10 levels of more difficult grinding.

As well, I found that I would always max my RPs in Thidranki on almost all chars ( I mostly played support ) to get the lowest MCL to help with downtime for levelling purposes.

Just my 2 cents.

Lockh
Level 14 Healer Mid

PS. Old BGs > New BGs by far!!

Nayru wrote:We do not have the capacities for another bg. Battleground split the players from all other zones and homelands. If there would be an extra bg, you would even have less action in the current battlegronds.

Nayru, this logic makes no sense whatsoever!

Battleground split the players from all other zones and homelands.

All battlegrounds do this! Who cares? Really? Are you serious? The entire point of the battlegrounds is so that people don't have to go to "other zones" and "homelands" to PvE.

If there would be an extra bg, you would even have less action in the current battlegronds.

What!? At least give me an explanation as to why this makes any sense. Yes, if Braemar was split in two, the bigger half of Braemar might have less activity. And do you know what this lesser activity will not be including? Characters that are too low for Braemar. Are you trying to say that people will leave Braemar and roll a new character to play in another BG? Or that people will be more likely to stick with their high-level, and play a low-level one because there is a new BG?

Clarify, please. I am getting a little tired of the staff replying to several pages of conversation with a small post like this one that hardly even addresses the issues.

Please and thank you

The more RvR-Zones there are, the lower the player concentration will be in these zones. If we had only NF without BGs and without DF, there would be more players in NF. If we had a BG for every five levels, there would be a lower concentration of players as there is now.

This is logic and needs no further explanation, dont you think?

If there were more BGs, other players would make that responsible for having low action e.g. when not playing in the primetime.

It is not so hard leveling a toon to lvl 30. Some players do this in two days... See it as an achievment that you can start doing RvR from that point on!

And another thing: Isnt it boring to do RvR with lowlevel chars that still miss most of their abilities?

I think on Uthgard the battlegrounds really need no love. The heart of the game is the endgame rvr... not the skirmish in the battlegrounds.
So please be happy about the three battlegrounds that we have and make your way through them. When you're done with that, join an RvR active guild and have fun in NF/OF/DF/wherever.

i think the overall meaning to vote for a new BG is, that its frustrating to kill tons of greys in Brae to defend the ck. Or on the other side u can enter with lv 20 Brae but u r useless for ur grp and u can better use any 30+ char.

I can speak for both sides, thats better to have 2 BGs with lower lvl range. 15 lvl is way to much.

Btw i hate to kill Greys, but in Brae i have to

LG Jack