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Postby Ronian » Jul 08, 2009 18:42

Sorry but Purge3, Viper3 and maybe PD (but PD is the weakest) are current imbalance Stealther RAs too. I never meet high SBs without PUrge up. Even if I fight them directly after being back at HMG... :wink:

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Postby Seyha » Jul 08, 2009 18:43

Funkling wrote:
jrhadden wrote:How do you land a first mezz ? What has changed to NEW RA's?.
Sorc will still have his qc+ boltrange mezz, healers their instant mezz and bards still amnesia and instant mezz.
The difference is: Once mezzed NO SKILL will help you at all :).


As opposed to NF RAs nearly completely negating the advantages of a first mezz. Omgz they're casting something SOS NAO!!! Phew, skillz of avoidance.


So, double or triple the cooldown time for SoS.

Just a thought.

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Postby jrhadden » Jul 08, 2009 18:53

Skill is not about landing the first mezz ...
You click enemy , click first mezz. Phew alot skill... Got that point?


But when u have to win vs SoS and Charge etc ... That needs little more skill and sometimes needs the use of your own abilities ... ?

And i dont like that rubbish skill talk, when there are other issues that can be discussed - like balancing ^^


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Postby Funkling » Jul 08, 2009 19:07

jrhadden wrote:Skill is not about landing the first mezz ...
You click enemy , click first mezz. Phew alot skill... Got that point?


No I don't get your point because your enemy can still either interrupt you, run out of range or kite/scatter.
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Postby jrhadden » Jul 08, 2009 19:14

Funkeling really do we have to go through every detail ? Atleast i dont need to^^

Cant you just realize that with OLD RA's, once you are mezzed, you prolly stay mezzed or dead ^^ ? For the very same reason, like u can rupt a mezzor ( despite instant mezz and boltrange mezz °°) you indeed can rupt a demezzor..............................and 100erds of other small tiny details you like to know ..................................

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ps. i rather have the feeling somebody is having a sos/charge-I_CANT_MEZZ Trauma. Please give us some Mezz_Love :p ?
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Postby Ilramingo » Jul 08, 2009 19:46

with 1.65 hunters have dodge 3 and istant pet ?

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Postby jrhadden » Jul 08, 2009 20:07

Hunters dont profit as much as other stealther from dodger.

They use 2h , while enemies use dual wield.

Hunter's Evade -> halfed (25% total evade max)

Enemy's Evade -> full (50% total evade max)

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ps funkeling just to say in advance. Yes they can go spec 1h sword + small shield 0o. Another detail i missed to mention.
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Postby Funkling » Jul 08, 2009 21:51

I like how every hunter/scout/ranger out there thinks they should be able to kill any assassin at will.

My class is the nerfest I can't kill everyone I attack at any time Q_Q this game is so unfair /ragequit.

Btw hunters do not have a 25% evade hardcap, LOL. Really, you require a clue jrhadden.

jrhadden wrote:Funkeling really do we have to go through every detail ? Atleast i dont need to^^

You should as a lot of the details on this game seem to have eluded you.

jrhadden wrote:Cant you just realize that with OLD RA's, once you are mezzed, you prolly stay mezzed or dead ^^ ?

For your information purge still exists with old RAs + every realm has 2 classes who possess the ability to remove mezz from realmmates.
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Postby Gemma » Jul 08, 2009 22:00

Ilramingo wrote:with 1.65 hunters have dodge 3 and istant pet ?


Did u actually meant evade3? then the answer is no. Hunters get evade 2 at 1.65.

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Postby Musikus » Jul 08, 2009 22:29

Funkling wrote:Btw hunters do not have a 25% evade hardcap, LOL. Really, you require a clue jrhadden.
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seems you need to go back to school and relearn some math..

hunter can cap his evade with doger in old RA´s to 50%
but if he face an enemy with dual weapons his evade is halfed because of the dual weapons.

and the half of 50% = 25%

so 50% - 25% = 25%
so the hunters evasion is reduced to a cap of 25% against BM, Ranger, nightshade, merc and infi. thats all jrhadden said.
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Postby jrhadden » Jul 08, 2009 22:40

I really dont like breaking it into small pieces but here we go funkeling..

a) Yes every realm has 2 classe to demezz. But thats the point. Since active RAs are reduced to 30min time. You plain need to rupt the demezzer. ? There is no instant demezz in this game. So once u are rupted you need moc on a 30min timer. Or more instants / RA to get out of this mess. Once mezzed skill doenst matter at all...The fights will be much shorter (!). Additional effects are lack of life-saving RA's (RR5, BoF,DI,SoS,Ichor - not every realm will have it).

b) You should read more carefully, but maybe i wasnt detailed enough.
Hardcap is 50% evade for everyone. So lets say u spec alot dodger with a hunter and reach 50% evade. When you know fight vs ranger,asassin.
You evade is still 25%, because dual wield simply half's evade.
So thats what i meant (!)

c) Nobody said hunters should kill all at any time. I was talking about the impact of OLD RAs on Hunter/Scout. As you can imagine facing enemies with alot more evade and after evade stun and true sight is abit more nasty then just facing viper3? And that comes with the price of loosing PD & MoS. I think everyone got the point so far? And if you spend some more time without posting.. maybe you too ?
Thats far away from QQ. Its about balancing.

d) Asking for OLD RAs just because SoS makes your life abit harder as Mezzor? Still alot of people do fine vs SoS ? That sounds more like QQ for me ? With NF RAs SoS can be canceled, and first mezz isnt that important. Still you HAVE TO MEZZ. Just abit later:)
The fights take a while, and it doesnt stop you from kiting ?!
And i think everybody enjoys long fights (!)

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Postby Funkling » Jul 08, 2009 22:45

Dual wield halves your chance to evade, it doesn't halve the evade cap.

I'm not gonna bother with the rest seeing as you can't even spell my name right after several tries, how can you expect me to take anything you write seriously ?
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Postby jrhadden » Jul 08, 2009 22:49

So do you actually suggest a hunter to spec enouhg dodger that he has like 50% after beeing halfed by dual wield???


When is say Hunter has 25% Evade vs DualWielder - i mean it -.-

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Postby Funkling » Jul 08, 2009 23:21

jrhadden wrote:So do you actually suggest a hunter to spec enouhg dodger that he has like 50% after beeing halfed by dual wield???


When is say Hunter has 25% Evade vs DualWielder - i mean it -.-


No I would never suggest such a thing because first and foremost, I know it's impossible for a hunter to reach such high evade chance.

Secondly, hunters do not have a 25% evade vs dual wielders. Not with evade 2, not with evade 3, not with dodger 1, not with dodger 5 simply because evading depends on much more. Saying hunters have a 25% chance to evade against dual wielders is... well I'm not gonna say it to save myself a PM from the mods.
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Postby jrhadden » Jul 08, 2009 23:33

Funkling sometimes i have the feeling you just read what you want to read. Maybe you can have some nice pm conversation with yourself?


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