I wasted some time making some counts

A level 50, rr 4l2 which just quitted thidranky got 0 bps and 260400 rps.

To make rr5 you need 513500 so you have to make 253100 rps outside the bg.

To make 253100, considerding 1 kill giving 1000rps and 30 bps, you will have to kill 253100/1000=254 solo/group vs group and you will earn 254x30=7620 bps. Of course without speding any bps for recharge/siege stuff/ecc...


To reach 15k bp you need other 8k/30=267 single kills, with 267k more rps that will bring you at rr 5L6.


With these numbers, I guess a correct cost should be included from 1k and 5k bp :O Same with golds

Demiurgo, if you do RvR you already receive a gold amount by killing the player. The example of converting BPs to arcanite to hinges is only one possibility of earning large amounts within the game. I already stated within germans forums that there are enough possibilities to farm gold:

- Kill monsters in DF, buy equip for seals, salvage and transform into hinges
- Kill players in RvR and earn a direct amount of gold per kill
- Kill players in RvR and convert BP into gold via arcanite->hinges crafting
- Kill interesting monsters which for example drop precious sell loot (finliath/hwach ddu fota/jotun despot in rvr zone)

There are a lot of possibilities and we do not only count in the theoretical BP gain, but all possibilities which is why an advanced War Horse would never cost only around 5000BP. The horses are an achievement, a status symbol and benefit for players who are willing to invest some time and to be honest ... about one week of farming is by no means that hard.

Haldan wrote:Demiurgo, if you do RvR you already receive a gold amount by killing the player. The example of converting BPs to arcanite to hinges is only one possibility of earning large amounts within the game. I already stated within germans forums that there are enough possibilities to farm gold:

- Kill monsters in DF, buy equip for seals, salvage and transform into hinges
- Kill players in RvR and earn a direct amount of gold per kill
- Kill players in RvR and convert BP into gold via arcanite->hinges crafting
- Kill interesting monsters which for example drop precious sell loot (finliath/hwach ddu fota/jotun despot in rvr zone)

There are a lot of possibilities and we do not only count in the theoretical BP gain, but all possibilities which is why an advanced War Horse would never cost only around 5000BP. The horses are an achievement, a status symbol and benefit for players who are willing to invest some time and to be honest ... about one week of farming is by no means that hard.

It isn't hard, but does draw players AWAY from RvR because of some 'status symbol' and frankly I can't recall much of those in classic DAoC besides your Epic Armor or a SI dropped weapon (when SI came out).

Heck there weren't even titles..

To be really honest I don't think people should have to farm anything at all to gain these horses or gain a 'better' or 'better looking' horse for the amount of farming you did instead of RvRing. Because there's no way you're getting that amount of cash by mere RvRing. Yes you also need the RR but that doesnt mean u don't spend the cash on anything else, perhaps something more useful such as a house, a guild, alts..
Anyway, I'm not really fond of status sybmols withing classic DAoC, but thats just my opinion. Which is probably why I don't care about having a horse worth 15p or not.

Zarkor wrote:gain a 'better' or 'better looking' horse for the amount of farming you did instead of RvRing.

You seem to forget the RR5 and RR10 requirement. I can't imagine you reach that by farming in PvE.

Zarkor 3 of the above mentioned possibilities to gain money include rvr. About monsters that drop good sell loot I already gave a hint.

Hmm only 2 of them are RvR related:

- gaining cash by killing ppl in RvR
- gaining cash by salvaging arcanites from BPs (which is rather limited because of the recharge stone prices)

@ Blue, I did in fact think of that, 2 sentences further even .


Anyway, since I don't really care that much about horses I don't really mind anyway, in general I find it a good thing that they are in, but I would've done it differently tho ^^.

You know, theres no free lunch on Uth.

Why should I buy a horse? Groupchars have faster speed anyway. Saddlebags are not implemented.
If I am solochar I can not afford, because all my money goes into charges ....
More scrolls that spams my vaults .... won't even do the quests.

You use money for recharge?

Sure, keeping my BPs for respeccs which you can't buy for money.
Important point is, what do you get when you spend 15P (or even the equivalent amount of BPs) for a horse. There is zero utility and just for the look it is too expensive.

That's okay Thorberg. We don't force anybody to get those horses Atm they have only a use if you're a class without speedsong and want to run solo anyways.

the horses are ok, the prices are ok, but if you spend 30p on a horse you will like to but some barding/armors on it ^^

about the charges, I just want to make one thing clear, they were nerfed because str/con charge was too strong right? So why on earth were also dex/qui and acuity charge, which were never problem for anyone changed also? Not to mention they were livelike.
Also I thought the idea behind hard-to-get items was to provide you with benefit on battlefield if you put the effort to get them.

The reason was not only the Str/Con charge. It was one but not the only reason. You still get a benefit on the battlefield from str/con. But its not that large than before.

but still this hurt mostly casters, which were already rather weak.

What was the reason to change d/q and acuity charge then?