Hero or BM for RvR?

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slowpoke68
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Postby slowpoke68 » Feb 13, 2017 20:45

Rerolled Hib from Albion and torn between these two characters.

Can't decide which I want to play. I will be focused mainly on 8v8.

Looking for any insight to help me make my decision.

Thanks much.

PS WIll be joining a reroll guild on Friday. Wondering if anyone could recommend a really good solo farming toon I can fool around with this week to make some gold to finance my melee at the start.

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Postby Sonork-Hib » Feb 13, 2017 21:38

Both have their place. Most would argue BM, but they're mostly interchangeable.

    BMs have slightly higher melee dps over time (Probably only substantial after 15+melee rounds)

    Heroes have higher melee absorb

    BMs are cheaper to template

    Heroes easier to find PVE grps (by a slight margin)

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Postby Shadowgurke » Feb 13, 2017 22:55

Hey Slowpoke,

The difference isn't that big, although people are wrong on some parts.

Heroes are better offensively when not fighting PBT. LW has high growth rates and the ability to swap between Crush/Slash for substantially more damage. They have Stag and can play Blockbot (50 Shields, Large Shield and MoBlocking) which can be quite helpful against mid tanker. They only have a side- and frontpeel with LW and have to swap to Spear to use a Backsnare, which is clunky and doesn't allow chainpeeling and damage at the same time.

BMs are better peelers due to the faster attackspeed and access to back- and sidepeels. Prevent Flight, which is very important for peeltanks, is substantially easier to proc with 2 fast weapons compared to hero. Their burst is slightly higher with Tripple wield and they have an easier time hitting through PBT and breaking speed.

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Postby Falken » Feb 14, 2017 01:02

Most hib tankers will have at least one of each on an assist train. As far as leveling them goes hero will probably be more welcomed as a "tank" for leveling groups, but BM can pull it off with just slightly less effectiveness due to Reinforced vs Scale.
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Postby Sonork-Hib » Feb 14, 2017 01:38

While I agree with almost everything above, the DPS argument is not clear.

Heroes have the ability to frontload and spike dps in a 0 quickness template, but are shut down by PBT.

BMs are great bubble breakers and will out damage a hero over time, especially at higher RR. DW is the reason here - hitting twice and critting twice in one swing. However, this is dependent on RR and relates to damage over time and is not likely to to differentiate in under 10 rounds of melee.

Damage is nuanced between the two and isn't the reason to pick one over the other.

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Postby slowpoke68 » Feb 14, 2017 01:49

Thanks friends. Have been trying out both toons and think I will go with BM.

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Postby Shadowgurke » Feb 14, 2017 04:39

Sonork-Hib wrote:

BMs are great bubble breakers and will out damage a hero over time, especially at higher RR. DW is the reason here - hitting twice and critting twice in one swing.

That makes no sense. Crit is tied to weapon damage. Critting with a 2H weapon does more damage than critting with DW, but critting with DW is more likely (because 2h weapons). This averages out over time.

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Postby Nohup » Feb 14, 2017 07:52

Answer: Hero

Reasoning: Det.

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Postby Kaziera » Feb 14, 2017 08:02

Bm also det lol

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Postby Sonork-Hib » Feb 14, 2017 19:18

Happy to run damage log tests in 4 more levels and with a 50 bm. Will post results here.

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Postby Exde » Feb 14, 2017 19:49

Nohup wrote:Answer: Hero

Reasoning: Det.


lul BM also has det sir. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Nohup » Feb 14, 2017 23:52

Well I'll be...
yeah, they do. My mistake.

Sorry for the misinformation.

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Postby Scira » Feb 15, 2017 04:56

One of each good for melee in groups ^^

If you want more survivability play hero. If you want slightly more dmg and dw play bm

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