well what should MoS help in that regard, if it only help for speed, im not talking about getting away im talking about getting spottet at all, way to easy.

Stasis wrote:well what should MoS help in that regard, if it only help for speed, im not talking about getting away im talking about getting spottet at all, way to easy.

MoS movement gives you more movement speed, more movement speed gives you more distance to enemies. More distance gives you less detection. Is it really so hard to understand? If you let someone run through you, they have the highest detection chance, because at some point there´s nearly 0 distance to you.

If the enemies use high movement speed, it will be harder to unhide you at the first contact, because the distance to you increases faster again, but it´s much easier to catch you with spreading out.

If the enemies have less or normal runspeed, it will be easier to unhide you at the first contact, because the distance to you increases slower, but it will be much harder to catch you when you get some distance between you and the enemy.

IF a player ran throu you or v close on live he could spot you and target nearest enemy ... to me it seems normal but, we l let others decide.

What is odd about the whole thing is just how hard it is as a stealth player to find another high stealth player, despite moving real slow and actively looking. But you guys find it totally normal to be running a super speed and spot them repeatedly?

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Moondragon1 wrote:What is odd about the whole thing is just how hard it is as a stealth player to find another high stealth player, despite moving real slow and actively looking. But you guys find it totally normal to be running a super speed and spot them repeatedly?

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Stasis wrote:

Moondragon1 wrote:What is odd about the whole thing is just how hard it is as a stealth player to find another high stealth player, despite moving real slow and actively looking. But you guys find it totally normal to be running a super speed and spot them repeatedly?

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You don´t have the detection bonus from MoS and the slowest running speed possible... what do you expect with similar stealth and a higher distance to other stealthers....?

you think it should be: Speed 6 > Stealthed for spotting a Assasin.

Good i play a Minstrel then and can run around and find stealthers at speed 5 then.

I get you can find ppl with nearest enemy but that should be way harder than what it sounds on posts on forum here.

Stasis wrote:you think it should be: Speed 6 > Stealthed for spotting a Assasin.

Good i play a Minstrel then and can run around and find stealthers at speed 5 then.

I get you can find ppl with nearest enemy but that should be way harder than what it sounds on posts on forum here.

Nope, but you search for excuses being too bad to dodge speed 6 fgs. If you wouldn´t stay on the crowded roads, they wouldn´t find you "easily". I can nearly dodge every speed 6 fg with a VISIBLE char and only 153% movement speed. You´re just trusting your stealth too much, it doesn´t give you a total invisibility against everything and everyone. And again if someone runs THROUGH you, he has the min. distance to you. I really don´t know why you can´t accept this fact.

I´m sorry that you xped a stealther, you should have rolled a visible class.

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Skandar wrote:regarding "standing" on you, I disagree. Stealth is a concealment tool, not an invisibility cloak. If you are sneaking around on main roads and a group runs through you "expect" to be uncovered.

I guess you played a lot of stealth classes with 50 stealth then.

I can understand Minstrels are easier to see with there normaly lower stealth spec but even them should be hard/not possible to see if you come bye on speed 6 (atleast if you are not on top of them running stright trough.

Assasin vs assasin see eachother very close on. And you gotta have good reflexes to get in PA etc or even hit them.
And that is two chars moveing in slow motion style and you find it ok that you spot them as a fg on speed 6.
As Henry (Liverpool owener) told Arsenal owner; "What are they smoking over there"

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Moondragon1 wrote:What is odd about the whole thing is just how hard it is as a stealth player to find another high stealth player, despite moving real slow and actively looking. But you guys find it totally normal to be running a super speed and spot them repeatedly?

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Also, I had a green in DF spot me earlier this week while running close to him. He pretty much saw me as early as I see other 50 stealthers. Something definitely not right.

Any volunteers who are interested in collecting some data on Pendragon about Stealth please PM me.
Thank you!

I dont know how (Pendragon), But im willing to help tomorrow. Wife have birthday today and kill me if i game today.


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Stasis wrote:

Skandar wrote:regarding "standing" on you, I disagree. Stealth is a concealment tool, not an invisibility cloak. If you are sneaking around on main roads and a group runs through you "expect" to be uncovered.

I guess you played a lot of stealth classes with 50 stealth then.

I can understand Minstrels are easier to see with there normaly lower stealth spec but even them should be hard/not possible to see if you come bye on speed 6 (atleast if you are not on top of them running stright trough.

Assasin vs assasin see eachother very close on. And you gotta have good reflexes to get in PA etc or even hit them.
And that is two chars moveing in slow motion style and you find it ok that you spot them as a fg on speed 6.
As Henry (Liverpool owener) told Arsenal owner; "What are they smoking over there"

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Moondragon1 wrote:What is odd about the whole thing is just how hard it is as a stealth player to find another high stealth player, despite moving real slow and actively looking. But you guys find it totally normal to be running a super speed and spot them repeatedly?

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Also, I had a green in DF spot me earlier this week while running close to him. He pretty much saw me as early as I see other 50 stealthers. Something definitely not right.

Seb was this outsdie the lrage Rocots room hib side.

Deathmachine the NS? if so that was me as i was really shocked i managed to unstealth a 50 as easy as i did as well. concidering i am AT stealth and have very little +skill to it.

Genjiro wrote:Any volunteers who are interested in collecting some data on Pendragon about Stealth please PM me.
Thank you!

Pendragon is not 1.65 and stealth were revamped some months ago.
You can't compare coz mos is a passive on live u gain when u lvl. And u need to spec 50shield there

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Genjiro wrote:Any volunteers who are interested in collecting some data on Pendragon about Stealth please PM me.
Thank you!

Pendragon is not 1.65 and stealth were revamped some months ago.

I did not follow recent Stealth changes on Live.
They changed how Stealth skill affects detection? Sounds odd they changed such an old and fundamental mechanic.

Quickly checked recent patch notes from 1.110 to 1.118 for "stealth" but did not find any changes.
Can you link me the change you mentioned please?

Genjiro wrote:I did not follow recent Stealth changes on Live.
They changed how Stealth skill affects detection? Sounds odd they changed such an old and fundamental mechanic.

Quickly checked recent patch notes from 1.110 to 1.118 for "stealth" but did not find any changes.
Can you link me the change you mentioned please?

1.121 source: http://darkageofcamelot.com/content/112 ... atch-notes
Infiltrator

Infiltrators have been given a forced full skill respec
Infiltrators have been given a forced realm ability respec
Infiltrators have had their spec points increased from 2.5 to 2.9 spec points.
Infiltrators can now train for Mastery of Magery and Wild Power realm abilities.
Vanish is no longer a Realm ability option but has instead been added to the Stealth specialization.
Mastery of Stealth is no longer a Realm ability option but has instead been added to the Stealth specialization in the form of the new Shadow Run ability.
Assassins may now spec for the Determination and Strike Prediction realm abilities.
Assassins have had the Heightened Awareness, Blood Rage, and Subtlety abilities removed.
Remedy has been changed to a 5 minute RUT and no longer takes any hit points when used.
The Viper realm ability has had its values reduced as follows:
Level 1 – 10% to 5%
Level 2 – 20% to 10%
Level 3 – 35% to 20%
Level 4 – 50% to 30%
Level 5 – 75% to 40%

Nightshade

Nightshades have been given a forced full skill respec
Nightshades have been given a forced realm ability respec
Nightshades have had their spec points increased from 2.2 to 2.8 spec points.
Vanish is no longer a Realm ability option but has instead been added to the Stealth specialization.
Mastery of Stealth is no longer a Realm ability option but has instead been added to the Stealth specialization in the form of the new Shadow Run ability.
Assassins may now spec for the Determination and Strike Prediction realm abilities.
Assassins have had the Heightened Awareness, Blood Rage, and Subtlety abilities removed.
Remedy has been changed to a 5 minute RUT and no longer takes any hit points when used.
The Viper realm ability has had its values reduced as follows:
Level 1 – 10% to 5%
Level 2 – 20% to 10%
Level 3 – 35% to 20%
Level 4 – 50% to 30%
Level 5 – 75% to 40%

Shadowblade

Shadowblades have been given a forced full skill respec
Shadowblades have been given a forced realm ability respec
Shadowblades have had their spec points increased from 2.2 to 2.8 spec points.
Shadowblades can now train for Mastery of Magery and Wild Power realm abilities.
Shadowblades’ Blooddrinking RR5 realm ability has had its 20% health return on damage dealt increased to 60% and its duration reduced from 30s to 15s.
Vanish is no longer a Realm ability option but has instead been added to the Stealth specialization.
Mastery of Stealth is no longer a Realm ability option but has instead been added to the Stealth specialization in the form of the new Shadow Run ability.
Assassins may now spec for the Determination and Strike Prediction realm abilities.
Assassins have had the Heightened Awareness, Blood Rage, and Subtlety abilities removed.
Remedy has been changed to a 5 minute RUT and no longer takes any hit points when used.
The Viper realm ability has had its values reduced as follows:
Level 1 – 10% to 5%
Level 2 – 20% to 10%
Level 3 – 35% to 20%
Level 4 – 50% to 30%
Level 5 – 75% to 40%




Stealth specialization

Several changes have been made to the Stealth specialization so that speccing to level 50 is encouraged.
A new ability, Shadow Run I-Shadow Run IX has been added at the following levels and values:
Level 10 – Shadow Run I – instant cast – Permanent duration – 5% detection bonus
Level 15 – Shadow Run II – instant cast – Permanent duration – 10% detection bonus
Level 20 – Shadow Run III – instant cast – Permanent duration – 15% detection bonus
Level 25 – Shadow Run IV – instant cast – Permanent duration – 20% detection bonus
Level 30 – Shadow Run V – instant cast – Permanent duration – 25% detection bonus
Level 35 – Shadow Run VI – instant cast – Permanent duration – 30% detection bonus
Level 40 – Shadow Run VII – instant cast – Permanent duration – 35% detection bonus
Also casts Shadow Run I – Permanent duration – 70% normal run speed while stealthed
Level 45 – Shadow Run VIII – instant cast – Permanent duration – 40% detection bonus
Also casts Shadow Run II – 85% normal run speed while stealthed
Level 50 – Shadow Run IX – instant cast – Permanent duration – 45% detection bonus
Also casts Shadow Run III – 100% normal run speed while stealthed
Detect Hidden and Assassinate abilities have been removed from the specialization
Save Fall V has been moved from 50 to 48 specialization
A new ability, Overshadow, has been added at level 49 specialization
Stealth an ally – 10s duration – Ally must be out of combat – Instant cast – 1000 range – Cannot be cast on self – Ally can move around but will unstealth when performing a combat action.
The Vanish I realm ability is now obtainable at level 49 specialization
A new ability, Blur, has been added at level 50 specialization
Jumps to target’s position – Must be a player target (can be enemy or ally) – 1000 range – 90s RUT – Usable while rooted or snared but does not break the CC – Can be used while stealthed or unstealthed – Does no damage