Please justify this for me. Im embarassed to say that after playing for more than 7 years Ive never played a heavy tank/dps tank. My usuals were reavers, eldritch, stealthers of various kinds.

I started a hero and started gaining a few RPs after getting stoicism. Now right now I think its only like 33% reduction with det 2, but after doing the math, det 5 gives what, 80% reduction with stoc? 80% of even a 50 second mez (short at 50) is still 10 seconds of standing around doing nothing. In 10 seconds, druid + bard is dead and weve already lost if the enemy knows even 1/2 of what they are doing. purge 3 costs 4 less points and is on a 5 minute timer. This can be used in those "MUST BE MOBILE" moments instead of "Gee, those 34 RSPs sure are doing me a lot of good standing here in a root or mez"

Vs casted stuns, Im totally understanding the benefit.

But that would mean you spent 34 RSPs to basically be immune to maybe 3 classes stuns, melee stuns arent effected. The rest would be just making roots and mezzes shorter, but not short enough to be fight breaking if they know what they are doing.

Can you shed some light on this? As ive stated my experience with hero/warr/arms is limited to what ive seen and my experience with other classes.

Det5 is the way to go.

You won't get cced only once in a fight vs a decent group.

And with det5 every mezz/root fades like instant

Thalien wrote:Det5 is the way to go.

You won't get cced only once in a fight vs a decent group.

And with det5 every mezz/root fades like instant

I've spec'd my points on my characters more for solo so I don't have any determination, but do use purge. It sucks pretty bad getting hit by a mezz early in a fight, blowing purge, then getting rooted for a minute lol (or vice-versa). If your going for group RvR definately get Det4/5 imo.

DarkKnghtZ wrote:Please justify this for me.

being CCed for no more than 9 or so seconds including resists is well worth 34 RSPs.

If your support can't handle their Hero being CCed for 9 seconds they are terrible and your RA spec shouldn't really matter.

If your going for group RvR definately get Det4/5 imo.

I have played an offensive Hero with Det-5 for a long time. One day I thought Det-4 would be good enough so I could spend valuable RSP's on something else..

Within 20 minutes I specced back to Det-5.

ITT: OP forgot about root.

I think all BMs and Heroes should go purge3 instead of det5!

This way albs and mids would probably stand a chance against hib tank groups.

Best solution would still be to take rangers instead of BMs and animists instead of eldritches!

Go Go Go!

Nymeros wrote:ITT: OP forgot about root.

No he didnt, when you are rooted you arent completely useless, you can still interupt. Mez is more of my concern as you are doing NOTHING but standing around waiting for your group to die while you do nothing. If you are rooted, at least you can pull out a bow, interupt a caster and tempt something to hit you.

If youre rooted whos gonna guard your support or slam tanks off?

Thalien wrote:If youre rooted whos gonna guard your support or slam tanks off?

Mr. Shortbow!

i also think bard, druid and elds can very good assist each other for 9 seconds

if mezzing a BM/Hero would REALLY harm your life, you wont be 10L that fast maria

Lol Zarkor

Yes you should be able to handle 9 seconds without deftank. But it only will be 9 seconds with det5 and even those 9 seconds can determine about life or death of eld/bard/druid.

Without det you got, i don't know 20-30 seconds root? So thats a big difference. I mean rupting is cool, but what exactly was the job of a def hero in a group again?

And you forget that you won't get rooted and mezzed only once in a fight. If you don't get det5 with a hero you gimp your whole group. Like Fornax said you shouldn't even think of det4.

After the 80% reduction (stoicism + det5) there is the reduction from ressists.

Det5 is absolutly woth it.

At least, i would never grp with a def hero without det5. :X

Heho,

Like the others said, there isn´t really a other way for a guard then getting det 5.

Some guard have det5 and purge. In fight if you groupmate have three tanks on it, every second nearly are like 200 - 400 dmg more on your group if you stand in mezz instead of blocking.

As guard you have not a low priority as cc target. Some groups try to cc the guarder at inc and hold the guard in cc, because their tanks make much more dmg then.

Greetz Luydor