tymofar wrote:

Zarkor wrote:Mids just do it because they killed every small-man or soloer and are bored because of no inc, so they think they can lure enemies by taking towers and keeps.

It's War, that is what happens in Hib,Alb or Mid all the time and no one is complaining about that when it happens in other realms and iam sure most of the daoc player do that, but Midgard omg..the big bad Boogyman.

I play Hib atm and i hate it when the broadcast is spammed by people like you just flaming about the bad guys in Midgard.

So Hibernia stinks? Yes it stinks like hell but the source is another one.

Lol, I'm not trying to QQ or saying Mid is the source of all evil, I'm just saying that they are known for having an unstoppable sieging lust, which does nothing but suck the players out of Agramon due to having to take a boat each time, not to mention getting tower farmed when trying to retake anything.

It's just more a demotivation than a motivation to RvR. Of course, if that's what they want to achieve, then they're going a nice job.


In fact, I'm sick of other Hibs complaining how Zubasa's grp is untakeable and logging once they see xxxxx "was killed by Zubasa", even with a good group.

On the other hand, I'd love to see your reaction to Agramon RvR... that is if you're there yet.

i think alb is the losing realm.... then hib....

speebo wrote:i think alb is the losing realm.... then hib....

Yeah, sure, albion is the loosing realm because they have 2 relics and df atm


Oh and another conclusion i took out of this topic:

Mids should be forced to do kindergarten-rvr because the other realms (according to some who raised their voices here) cant get their ppl motivated to do determined counterattacks to tower/keepraids and/or vast presence of mids in agra. They cant even start such things on their own, so from now on Mids should only run around Agra/NF (with at least 5k units distance to keeps/towers) in grps of maximum 8pp (but only if its low-rr, high-rr is 2peeps max).

Did i get this right now?

You cant dictate players to go in vast numbers to nf, neither forbid them to take/retake keeps/towers when they like.

You can start an own (counter-)attackforce and you may propose that some areas (like shadowed vale/warding forest/..) are unofficially be declared as small-grp/soloareas (since in this regions most kills are smallgrp/solo-kills anyways).

Well its not really surprising since hib goes on spaming tanks since 2 or 3 years. Other realms changed this practice (albs go totally mix, mids started to group rms, bds) and thats their huge advance.

For all hibs: try other realms and check how easy it is to kill a fulltank group with some casters grouped.

As long as hib groups dont change this realm will have no chance against good alb/mid groups. But its known issue and still most people prefer their perfect setup of bard 2 druids 5 bms...

nothing left to say
its not that hib can only win with full castergrp.
but just get bard druid druid warden lighteld bm bm bm for example.
the eld - well played - makes the difference. the eld wont be imba dmg dealer in this grp, but disease, debuffs +ns helps a lot.

from my point of view:
i leveled up a vw when i had lots of free time.
it took ages to mage the final levels but as a solid pve class, i could manage.

it was hard getting an rvr group for the vw.
since OF has been annouced...
well, lets just say i started a hero.

everything runs nice and at a fairly good rate.
then you hit 40.
and then your stuck.

it took me 4 times the playtime to get from 40 to 44 then it did from 1 to 40.


i can log on any time a day, do /who 45 49 and find maybe 2 enches and a ranger.

if we dont have df, we dont level. agra is no place to do it anymore for a while now, you have stealthers at any spot and fgs roaming them one after the other.
even emain is barely a choice. there is only 1 good spot and that gets a enemy visit regulary too.

on most 40+ spawns the amount of mobs and their spawn rate is just barely enough to keep a 4 man group entertained. you go bigger to go faster and you end up getting slower and a lot more sitting around.

just out of curiosity i checked what i can level up while looking for anything that my hero could group with, since soloing at that level is pretty much pointless.

ive got quite a nice collection of chars now, all about hitting 40 with a few more hours to put in.
but what then?

the only possible spot would be fins, since they are, aside form df hulks, the only instant respawn. if you wanna call it that. hulks are still at 2 mins.

but, since there is no exp bonus (god how much i hate it - the bonus, that is) in that zone, getting ppl to actually level there is very very tough.

its a long ride, then a long walk, then someone drops and you cant do without, then a long wait, then someone is afk without saying so and you wipe, then everyone is ****** off and leaves.

---------just to throw something in--------
we had lists for that spot on live, ppl made reservations 4 weeks ahead^^
/send listholder yeah hi. how about tank?
listholder: lvl?
/send listholder 42
listholder: thursday, 3 weeks from now.
/send listholder and a bard lvl 46?
listholder we are overbooked for bards. around middle of next month.
/send listholder k, put me up for tank.
listholder: done. cu in 3w.
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ive said it a couple times before and it still stands true.

5-10 minutes respawn is way too much. and it never willl be FINE!
we had 30 secs to 3 mins and considered that too long for smooth expflow back in the days, and we where much slower at killing and regging!


only reason you get rather quick to 40 is that you have more overall choice. while even that can be a hussle with all the dungeons ending 5-10 levels too early. spragg should go up to 30 and ends at 24, koaltinth should go up to 32 and stops at 26, treibh should go up to 45 and stops at 40.

and with the respawn time, every place where you COULD make decent exp is "cramped" once there are 2-3 ppl in there - in areas that used to support up to 5 GROUPS.

but im drifting off.
fact is, that we have lots and lots and lots more of fresh meat hoping onto the server every week, pick a needed char, play it, adjusting to the learning curve, get up in a somewhat reasonable amount of time (if your new to the game) and then - cant go any further. and mostly, drop the game altogether.



oh and 1 more thing: our mages level by themselfs.
there is no point having one or even two in a group.
except for menta.
dmg mages would only make the waiting for spawn more painfull.
and their damage is due to resist problems not that much above a dmg tank. just bigger downtime.
dmg pulls with 4 mobs and a 80% chance for a fifth instead uf 3 with a 20% chance of a fourth doesnt work well anyway. you need to fill the mages slots with tanks if you want to survive dmg pulls. and you need to have mages to kill dmg pulls.
really rather pointless.
so you do small tank groups with single pulls.
overall on average faster.

BAF f**ked up, resists f**ked up, spawn times f**ked up, shield now fixed (is it? big bonus there), indoors camp bonus f**ked up.

i dont group dmg mages.
and my mage doesnt get grouped.
simple as that.

It feeled fast from 40-50 to me.

Well we had much df at this time but go bgs you need to cap to rr4 anyways.

There's more people on this server than ever before but there's nobody in RvR and according to BlackCougar few people xping. Where the f*** is everyone then? BGs?

EDIT:
this is personal opinion stating my expierence in the time i have to play.
other timezones may have a different point of view.


oh they are exping. 5-35. lots of chars in that range.
slmis down on the higher ones and those do mainly tajendi (you get a better exp/time ratio on the exp quest in tajendi one then with grinding).

capping out bg?
i cant even imagine to do the math of how long that would take^^
on a good day, and i mean 2 fg hibs bashing it out with same amount mids and albs.. 1L? barely?
more like 0.1 a day overall.


few months?
cant really go hero vs stealthers vs fgs, can i.

not really an option.

except for braemar they are usualy empty. at least empty of hibs. albs and mids semm to have fun in wilton and thid. until we show up. then they leave. and come back when we are gone.
at least thats the vibe i get.

ns and ranger can cap out.
bards might. most players just skip it.
i had one good night in agra and made more rp in 2 hours then i did in 2 months bg.

i mean, if i cant reach the RR cap of thid in agra playing weeks, then doing it in the bg would just be insanity.
ok, that was with vw. could be a diff story on hero. maybe.

Why? When you finally get a decent group going, you want to fight enemies, not wood. The last thing you want to do is watch some Ram loading bar for 10 minutes, only to get ganked with a gate at 15%, leaving the enemy a free tower.

This is why during primetime, there's not a lot of tower-action. It's too boring, too risky and too unrewarding.[/quote]

the biggest reason siege sucx atm is we use OF siege equipment on new keep doors that are bigger better strong and generally more badass then the old ones were. my hope is that with OF soon to arrive(I hope) siege will become barable.

BTW the new siege equipment isnt just better its actually fun to use.

Hibernia doesn´t stink. I remember times when Hibernia dominated frontiers. There are players who are tired play rvr every day and now are doing tajendi, crafting, leveling new chars, or live their rl.
Now Midgard is dominating rvr maybe in 2 month this situation will change.

The realm that realy stink in uthgard is Albion. (Sorry albis but is true )

I agree with BlackCougar about Mob Respawn times. They seem to slow compared to Live - but not only 40+.

On live server there were 3-4 Groups fighting at Mag Mell Parthanan farm - mobs which conned red to yellow for me - with 8 ppl. Lately we cleared it with 3 ppl - and the parthas conned PURPLE!
Same with Sheeroe Hills walls - respawn was that good, you had to rush through and fight on the other site, when you wanted to pass it - now again, we were 3 ppl, cleared the whole wall and had to wait for respawn.
Same for other glimmer spots where was mass respawn.
This cant be just because of better equip! Once i was there with perfect group of 3 Manaelds and tanks - we had to stop because of mana, not because of respawn.
Only respawn rate working like before is in DF. You even get xp bonus in addition to faster mob-time-ratio.

Well, its hard to proof - but leveling outside of DF stinks for Hibernia. So now wonder there is no fresh meat here if we dont have DF all the time.

vangonaj wrote:The realm that realy stink in uthgard is Albion. (Sorry albis but is true )

it's like back in the day with many albs - you kill them they QQ - or worse: /call gm OMG I GOT P0WNED PLZ HELP!!!

How about you try to PLAY Alb and be succesfull instead of simply spouting arrogant nonsense that only Midis could say?kkthxbai

zubasa wrote:

vangonaj wrote:The realm that realy stink in uthgard is Albion. (Sorry albis but is true )

it's like back in the day with many albs - you kill them they QQ - or worse: /call gm OMG I GOT P0WNED PLZ HELP!!!

Alb is a good realm. Otherway: l2p.