It's been a long time since I played this game and had a few questions.


Focus on staves effects spell cost?? like if it says mana 8 levels would makes spells level 8 and lower cheaper to cast ??


Was also wondering about specs. Was thinking 37 light 39 mana for an eld, wondered on opinions.

Reading the rvr forums it sounds like people value ns which i understand but i'd think fighting mids + mainly melee dps. having disease str/con debuff would be even more important.

Also the dd snare in the mana line does it trigger immune?

Some ppl told me that 37light 39mana sucked hard.

I've tried, here my opinion.


Against caster grp (mostly alb ones)
- Yellow NS is enought to pertubed the enemies gameplay
- You can use yellow debuff D/Q and Str/Con on caster
- 39 mana gives the yellow pbae which is really usefull => One shoot theu pet, and also good dmg 350-420


Against tank grp (mostly mids)
- Desease yellow low resist rate with mof2
- AE DD snare yellow low resiste rate with mof2
You just QQ the AT when charge down.
- NS yellow
- Debuff str/con


Atfer that depending of your own grp.
If you're the only caster, you dmg is really basic, and you should play as a support by helping druid/bard
If you're in casster setup you just a really good dmg under debuff 500/600 depends of realm you fight.


So at all this a more polyvalent eld spec.
Dmg is lowered but still be good.
Desease / NS(55%) / AEddSnare are really efficient with mof2

- To be honest I'd consider only one spec 46 Light 28 Mana.
More mana just isn't worth it.

- Yes focus on staves decreases power cost. It brings from 120% of delve cos to about 80% iirc.

- With the spec I suggested above you still get the ae s/c debuff and disease. Disease is quite strong since it slows them down and halves any healing on them. S/C debuff is okay.

- It doesn't.

Artefact wrote:If you're in casster setup you just a really good dmg under debuff 500/600 depends of realm you fight.

No way.

Mentalists hit for about 500 dmg on their highest spec DD on a debuffed targets. Baseline eld DD will never reach that, their dmg is more around 350-400 per cast.

I wasn't really objective.

Most of the time 400 under debuff

But

I easily reach 500/600 with critics.

So we some WP and MOM ... you reach 500/600 rly often


I could bring screens later if you don't believe me

Artefact wrote:I wasn't really objective.

Most of the time 400 under debuff

But

I easily reach 500/600 with critics.

So we some WP and MOM ... you reach 500/600 rly often


I could bring screens later if you don't believe me

With WP and MOM I believe you.

To be honest I do think the splitspec isn't a bad idea with Old RAs.


I'm trying to think of a setup that can perform well both with PB as with kiting. Elds and their specs are vital for this I think, but I'll make a new topic for that.

imo

Split spec will far way THE good choice for caster setup in OF.

Because of MOC and the really decent dmg on pbae yellow.

By having a very low variance on base nuke for AT Caster.


Till a full mana spec will have a oped dmg on pbae but a huge variance on base nuke.

Zarkor wrote:

Artefact wrote:If you're in casster setup you just a really good dmg under debuff 500/600 depends of realm you fight.

No way.

Mentalists hit for about 500 dmg on their highest spec DD on a debuffed targets. Baseline eld DD will never reach that, their dmg is more around 350-400 per cast.

Baseline light dd on debuffed target 500-670 without crit.
Ok my eld is fully damage Ra spec at rr6l9. Acui 4, dex3, mom3, wp3 etc..

thanks for the input guys

and yeah 46 28 was the other spec i was looking at but couldn't remember if the ra that gives extra levels on spells was in old ras or not ... if not i'd think resists on the light spec dd would be an issue.

also can someone refresh my memory on how con works in regards to the debuff. if i remember right that's basically lost hp because you wouldn't get the hp back if you increased your con but don't remember the equation for con in relation to hps

also dosn't con effect dmg recieved to some extent also??

Artefact wrote:imo

Split spec will far way THE good choice for caster setup in OF.

Because of MOC and the really decent dmg on pbae yellow.

By having a very low variance on base nuke for AT Caster.


Till a full mana spec will have a oped dmg on pbae but a huge variance on base nuke.

Okay since you seem to be really persistant.

What positives does split spec offer compared to light?

- Higher bomb
- Better s/c debuff
- Lower resist rates on disease/snare due to high spell levels.

First of all there's little point in bombing. You put yourself in a dangerous position and with yellow pbaoe you'll hardly do more damage than with red spec nuke. All caster grps are kite setups these days since no grp with half a brain will die to a bomb grp. The only thing bomb is good for is clearing pets and the blue bomb kills earth pets in one hit aswell.
As far as the s/c debuff goes, the difference between blue and yellow is merely 12pts and it takes more power (same goes for the higher disease/snare btw).
The only plus side in my eyes is the higher spell levels on dis/snare.

I'd rather the 209spec dd and red ns.

[note that I'm talking NF RAs here so you got mof2 to compensate high resists on mana line spells]

bordone wrote:thanks for the input guys

and yeah 46 28 was the other spec i was looking at but couldn't remember if the ra that gives extra levels on spells was in old ras or not ... if not i'd think resists on the light spec dd would be an issue.

Atm we have NF RAs on the server so you can spec Mastery of Focus which increases the level of your spells and so decreases the resist chance. With old RAs that are incoming it's a different story but there's no saying when that might be.

bordone wrote:also can someone refresh my memory on how con works in regards to the debuff. if i remember right that's basically lost hp because you wouldn't get the hp back if you increased your con but don't remember the equation for con in relation to hps

Constitution determines your total amount of hitpoints. So say you have 1500hps and you get s/c debuffed. Your con will drop and so will your total hps to let's say 1300. When the debuff wears off, your total possible hps will increase back to 1500, however your actual hps are still at 1200. (Test it with a constitution buff, you will see your hp drops from 100% to say 92% because your current hps didn't increase, only your maximal amount did.)
The equation for con in relation to hps changes from class to class. I believe it's like 3hp per 1 point of con for casters/healers and like 4-5 for tanks and heavy tanks.

bordone wrote:also dosn't con effect dmg recieved to some extent also??

Not that I know off. The amount of percentage hp you loose yes, but not actual dmg/hp.
Dunno if it makes sense to you :p

Maidrion wrote:Okay since you seem to be really persistant.

What positives does split spec offer compared to light?

- Higher bomb
- Better s/c debuff
- Lower resist rates on disease/snare due to high spell levels.

First of all there's little point in bombing. You put yourself in a dangerous position and with yellow pbaoe you'll hardly do more damage than with red spec nuke. All caster grps are kite setups these days since no grp with half a brain will die to a bomb grp. The only thing bomb is good for is clearing pets and the blue bomb kills earth pets in one hit aswell.
As far as the s/c debuff goes, the difference between blue and yellow is merely 12pts and it takes more power (same goes for the higher disease/snare btw).
The only plus side in my eyes is the higher spell levels on dis/snare.

I'd rather the 209spec dd and red ns.

In kite groups light is definately better, I agree, unless you're a 2nd eld (which would be worse than a Ment, but ok).

Allthough you forgot 1 aspect from split elds. The fact that their AE snare does more damage and can therefore AE-clear pets more effectively from range.

Oh and the fact that your AE disease will have a bigger radius, but yea..

Zarkor wrote:

Maidrion wrote:Okay since you seem to be really persistant.

What positives does split spec offer compared to light?

- Higher bomb
- Better s/c debuff
- Lower resist rates on disease/snare due to high spell levels.

First of all there's little point in bombing. You put yourself in a dangerous position and with yellow pbaoe you'll hardly do more damage than with red spec nuke. All caster grps are kite setups these days since no grp with half a brain will die to a bomb grp. The only thing bomb is good for is clearing pets and the blue bomb kills earth pets in one hit aswell.
As far as the s/c debuff goes, the difference between blue and yellow is merely 12pts and it takes more power (same goes for the higher disease/snare btw).
The only plus side in my eyes is the higher spell levels on dis/snare.

I'd rather the 209spec dd and red ns.

In kite groups light is definately better, I agree, unless you're a 2nd eld (which would be worse than a Ment, but ok).

Allthough you forgot 1 aspect from split elds. The fact that their AE snare does more damage and can therefore AE-clear pets more effectively from range.

Oh and the fact that your AE disease will have a bigger radius, but yea..

Yup forgot that, though still doesn't it make it worth for me personally.

hum... anyway in a kiting grp, ae dd snare with less resist + desease with higher range and largest radius is in all of case way better to kite that a 209 nuke that you don't use in assist


Should I remind you that a tank AT under desease + snare is just ineficient at all ? :p

and so when you kite you move in your kite 2xfaster than the AT ? ^^

Artefact wrote:hum... anyway in a kiting grp, ae dd snare with less resist + desease with higher range and largest radius is in all of case way better to kite that a 209 nuke that you don't use in assist


Should I remind you that a tank AT under desease + snare is just ineficient at all ? :p

and so when you kite you move in your kite 2xfaster than the AT ? ^^

Should I remind you that with 46/28 you get disease/snare aswell?

With mof2 the resist percentage won't be too bad. And the difference in radius (50 units for disease, 0 for snare) is neglectable.
Besides it's great that in your fairy world the chanter always has time to debuff so you never need to use spec and you'll have power to spam yellow dis/snare, ns and nuke with baseline.

I just think that you should try

I'll never convince you so, and you'll never convince that is so bad as you said.