Question - Mentalist (MoF and Charm)

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Postby Botanist » Aug 27, 2012 13:55

i'm planning to respec my menty back from 46/28 illusions/mind to 46 holism/28 illusion and use it as PvE char.
Since i love to charm pets i asked myself, if MoF affects pet charming in any way, since a pet around 48+ healed with endless hot (pom + serenity x) can be pretty nice.

The calculation of the level one can savely charm is (should be)
PetLevel = ( (CharLevel * 2) + TotalSpec) / 3

Lets say the menta is 4lx and has 28 + 14 illusion, would MoF make any sense in addition?
I know that Mastery of Focus affects spell level. Since spell level is not included in the above formula, does it mean that MoF does not affect the level of pet i can charm?

i'm confused :gaga: , please help
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Postby Jezzmin » Aug 27, 2012 14:04

iirc blue stated several times, that charming works quite different from "normal" spells, so imho MoF shouldn't have any influence...otherwise it'd be easy for menta and minstrel to charm mobs much higher then they actually could (up to 50) only by speccing mof3 and having their actual charm-line quite low ;)
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Postby Botanist » Aug 27, 2012 14:13

Jezzmin wrote:iirc blue stated several times, that charming works quite different from "normal" spells, so imho MoF shouldn't have any influence...otherwise it's be easy for menta and minstrel to charm mobs much higher then they actually could (up to 50) only by speccing mof3 and having their actual charm-line quite low ;)


Ok :roll: I suspected something like that. But if charming works quite different from "normal" spells - can you (or Blue) explain how it exactly works?

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Postby Jezzmin » Aug 27, 2012 14:20

Botanist wrote:
Jezzmin wrote:iirc blue stated several times, that charming works quite different from "normal" spells, so imho MoF shouldn't have any influence...otherwise it's be easy for menta and minstrel to charm mobs much higher then they actually could (up to 50) only by speccing mof3 and having their actual charm-line quite low ;)


Ok :roll: I suspected something like that. But if charming works quite different from "normal" spells - can you (or Blue) explain how it exactly works?


well, i can't :D...blue can for sure, but he's usually very hesitant with giving out such info ;)

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Postby Botanist » Aug 27, 2012 14:45

Jezzmin wrote:well, i can't ...blue can for sure, but he's usually very hesitant with giving out such info


Why is that? One should know how his own spells work (or don't). I though the formula for charm is the same as on live.

Now i'm even more confused :gaga:

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Postby Jezzmin » Aug 27, 2012 15:07

Botanist wrote:
Jezzmin wrote:well, i can't ...blue can for sure, but he's usually very hesitant with giving out such info


Why is that? One should know how his own spells work (or don't). I though the formula for charm is the same as on live.

Now i'm even more confused :gaga:


I haven't read any info from blue on how exactly the "normal" resistance-formula works, so i guess he won't give out the specific formula but rather give some general idea of how charm-resists work ;)..however, u gotta wait for him to gets back from vacation and hope he reads this thread :)...i doubt any of the gms can tell u such things...

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Postby HulkGris » Aug 27, 2012 16:38

MoF increase the spell level taken into account to calculate resist chance.
But the spell level of a charm spell is not part of the resist rate formula. At level 50, you can use your lvl 4 or lvl 42 charm with no difference on the resist rate.

In the oldest DoL sources (2007, Uthgard is build from 2004 dol sources, with lot of improvment of course), the resist rate was 30 - 5 * diffLevel
where diffLevel is difference between modified spec and level of the creature. Level of caster was ignored... it allow menta with high holism spec to charm high level mobs 8O

In the latest DoL sources, the resist rate looks like the one you wrote in your initial post :
DiffLevel = (2 * CasterLevel + ModifiedSpec) / 3 - MobLevel
DiffLevel is rounded down
If DiffLevel >= 0
ResistRate = 10 - DiffLevel * 5
Else
ResistRate = 10 + DiffLevel * DiffLevel * 5

The results are very different between this formula :
Code: Select all
Modified spec    42               
Player Level     50               

           |  1st formula   |  2nd formula  |
Mob Level  |  diff    rate  |  diff    rate |
   38      |   4       10   |    9      1   |
   40      |   2       20   |    7      1   |
   42      |   0       30   |    5      1   |
   44      |  -2       40   |    3      1   |
   46      |  -4       50   |    1      5   |
   48      |  -6       60   |    0     10   |
   50      |  -8       70   |   -2     30   |

You should ask to a mentalist with low holism spec what level of mob he can charm.
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Postby epo » Sep 02, 2013 02:41

I got only 4(+1 from RR) in Light at the moment and i can charm mobs up to lvl 35. If that helps in any way.
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Postby Filters » Sep 09, 2013 10:02

So if a menta have 45 in Light what mob can sharm?
Over 50? Where is the limit?
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Postby majky666 » Sep 09, 2013 16:14

Filters wrote:So if a menta have 45 in Light what mob can sharm?
Over 50? Where is the limit?

Botanist wrote:The calculation of the level one can savely charm is (should be)
PetLevel = ( (CharLevel * 2) + TotalSpec) / 3

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