/who savage = 32
/who berserker = 75
/who thane = 27

Are Savages really that much worse off than Berserkers and only slightly better than Thanes?

zerkers are easier to play, thats why you see more zerkers then savages, both are great

Fifield2 wrote:zerkers are easier to play, thats why you see more zerkers then savages, both are great

Yea people repeat that wish it was actually true. They are a bit harder due to a bunch more buttons and annoying buffs to keep up, but not even enough to justify half the presence of berz.

Savages are good, berz are just more effective. Now if savages counted as dual wielding we would probably see the opposite numbers.

Atreiu wrote:Savages are good, berz are just more effective. Now if savages counted as dual wielding we would probably see the opposite numbers.

You're talking about defense penetration? You generally don't attack a tank anyway, especially not from the front.

bm01 wrote:

Atreiu wrote:Savages are good, berz are just more effective. Now if savages counted as dual wielding we would probably see the opposite numbers.

You're talking about defense penetration? You generally don't attack a tank anyway, especially not from the front.

where would you even see a tank to attack? Certainly not a Hib.

bm01 wrote:

Atreiu wrote:Savages are good, berz are just more effective. Now if savages counted as dual wielding we would probably see the opposite numbers.

You're talking about defense penetration? You generally don't attack a tank anyway, especially not from the front.

Attacking guarded target would be problem while h2h is classified as 1 handed not dual weild.

svg don't have prevent flight and backsnare style they also rely on luck with quadhits while zerker deal consistent high dmg.

Loriot wrote:svg don't have prevent flight and backsnare style they also rely on luck with quadhits while zerker deal consistent high dmg.

most likely this. a set 8 man that runs together every day would probably pick one each, 1 zerk 1 savage. but for your average pug picking zerks is probably the easiest way

Savages with relics is hitting PA damage every swing atm. Source:SCed troll savage with 2x 4.0 speed claws

Its so easy to play savage atm I would be ****** off if I was on enemy realm.

Loriot wrote:svg don't have prevent flight and backsnare style they also rely on luck with quadhits while zerker deal consistent high dmg.

Some savages maybe. Real ones go two handed and need no luck to deal more than zerkers.

ConstentinNL wrote:

Loriot wrote:svg don't have prevent flight and backsnare style they also rely on luck with quadhits while zerker deal consistent high dmg.

Some savages maybe. Real ones go two handed and need no luck to deal more than zerkers.

wrong patchlevel dude, 2h svg is even more gimp and not viable at all.

Loriot wrote:

ConstentinNL wrote:

Loriot wrote:svg don't have prevent flight and backsnare style they also rely on luck with quadhits while zerker deal consistent high dmg.

Some savages maybe. Real ones go two handed and need no luck to deal more than zerkers.

wrong patchlevel dude, 2h svg is even more gimp and not viable at all.

Getting nerfed doesnt mean you're not viable anymore. Test then come back to post something useful.

tested it in beta, it's not viable and definetly not even close to zerker damage, which was your point.

ConstentinNL wrote:

Loriot wrote:

ConstentinNL wrote:Some savages maybe. Real ones go two handed and need no luck to deal more than zerkers.

wrong patchlevel dude, 2h svg is even more gimp and not viable at all.

Getting nerfed doesnt mean you're not viable anymore. Test then come back to post something useful.

The only reason why 2H Savage was a thing way back then, was because the class was fundamentally broken. The tri- and quad-hits were assigned to the class itself, and not styles, which meant that you could get tri and quad-hits using any type of weapon, even two-handed.

So are Savages useful in 8mans in this patch or are they at a bad point in 1.65?