Hello folks,

i'm leveling a thane right now and i think i've read much about how thane are not really usefull to grps etc...
I don't really plan to RVR with it , but while i mostly agree than you can't cast like RM or block like a Warrior
i was still wondering one thing .

Why not going 50 Stormcalling 50 Shield ( 28 Weapon OR even 28 Parry ) and hit only with Shield.

i currently have as much shield spec than weapon and i do approx same DPS beside shield consume more endu.
But if you want to make a Caster/Body guard ?

Anyone ever tried this ? just currious ...

Maybe hitting with shield is slower? And you need huge endu, which you wont have if you chase some enemy. And just staying behind and guard sups is a little bit of waste, other classes can go for damage if noone needs guard.

Dirtymind wrote:Maybe hitting with shield is slower? And you need huge endu, which you wont have if you chase some enemy. And just staying behind and guard sups is a little bit of waste, other classes can go for damage if noone needs guard.

well i was thinking hitting with shield while bodyguarding and then bolting when free , lightning bolt does some nice dmg actually.

there isn't anything wrong with thanes as they do just fine in RvR

There is some stigma attached to some people who spam hammers, but this rarely happens in normal RVR. Happens a lot in BG's though.

if you are a good player who knows his role and can play the right way, thanes can be invaluable.

Good interrupts, slam is as good as any other shield class, and has a fair amount of DPS...

platypus2308 wrote:Hello folks,

i'm leveling a thane right now and i think i've read much about how thane are not really usefull to grps etc...
I don't really plan to RVR with it , but while i mostly agree than you can't cast like RM or block like a Warrior
i was still wondering one thing .

Why not going 50 Stormcalling 50 Shield ( 28 Weapon OR even 28 Parry ) and hit only with Shield.

i currently have as much shield spec than weapon and i do approx same DPS beside shield consume more endu.
But if you want to make a Caster/Body guard ?

Anyone ever tried this ? just currious ...

Well for one, with 28 weapon you do not get back snare, which is crucial in group rvr. Also, thane is inefficient as main guard tank for more than one reason. First, you lack stoicism and that is a big downside. Easily controllable main guarder sucks. Also, you have access to your unique hybrid RA's, while warrior can take dashing defense and soldier's barricade at higher realm rank, while you would probably have to spec into purge. Warrior also hits a lot harder than you. For example, paladin does not have stoicism too, but he is a necessity in most groups because of endo, since people don't like running with a full inventory of 2 min yellow endo pots. Also, especially in hybrid groups, albion usually has a reaver which can guard someone if pally is rooted or mezzed + he can deliver massive damage with leviathan on the light tank that's attacking his target and peel him off fast. On top of all that, most albion groups have at least 2-3 high priority targets and enemy tanks need to split on them, while vs most midgard groups(which are usually tank heavy), people enjoy training RM or healer and it's very hard for one tank to guard, especially because mercs and BM's can slam him, so even warrior has big problems very often, but he can afford to spec dashing defense and so on + stoicism allows him to come back to his team fast, while thane is mezzed/rooted for a longer period of time. Sure, a well played thane is better than a brain dead retard warrior, but if we are talking about players of same or close skill, warrior is far superior in group play.

borog wrote:there isn't anything wrong with thanes as they do just fine in RvR

There is some stigma attached to some people who spam hammers, but this rarely happens in normal RVR. Happens a lot in BG's though.

if you are a good player who knows his role and can play the right way, thanes can be invaluable.

Good interrupts, slam is as good as any other shield class, and has a fair amount of DPS...

You need a strong defensive tank, not a god damn rupt bot xD. And no, thanes are not invaluable in group rvr. Fair amount of DPS? Thane is on hybrid damage table afaik, and if he wants to cast down something with RM in back line, he can easily get rupted.

Raggnar wrote:Well for one, with 28 weapon you do not get back snare, which is crucial in group rvr. Also, thane is inefficient as main guard tank for more than one reason. First, you lack stoicism and that is a big downside. Easily controllable main guarder sucks. Also, you have access to your unique hybrid RA's, while warrior can take dashing defense and soldier's barricade at higher realm rank, while you would probably have to spec into purge. Warrior also hits a lot harder than you. For example, paladin does not have stoicism too, but he is a necessity in most groups because of endo, since people don't like running with a full inventory of 2 min yellow endo pots. Also, especially in hybrid groups, albion usually has a reaver which can guard someone if pally is rooted or mezzed + he can deliver massive damage with leviathan on the light tank that's attacking his target and peel him off fast. On top of all that, most albion groups have at least 2-3 high priority targets and enemy tanks need to split on them, while vs most midgard groups(which are usually tank heavy), people enjoy training RM or healer and it's very hard for one tank to guard, especially because mercs and BM's can slam him, so even warrior has big problems very often, but he can afford to spec dashing defense and so on + stoicism allows him to come back to his team fast, while thane is mezzed/rooted for a longer period of time. Sure, a well played thane is better than a brain dead retard warrior, but if we are talking about players of same or close skill, warrior is far superior in group play.

i have to agree on the lack of back snare , even though i was really thinking about caster bodyguard.
but regarding stoicism i have a question . how is calculated mezz duration ?
i mean , a war with stoicism (25%) + deter3 (20%) + capped resist (26%) + resist buffs (24%) = 5% of mezz duration ?
So let's say an evil sorcerer hit a fearless group of midgardian with his AE Mezz, this war will be mezed for like 3 seconds ?
Just curious here ...

You won't see a det 3 warrior in Emain

yet the question still stands.

Regardless of whether you think its improbable, would the above warrior get 5% duration?

do all the resists stacked as shown?

i have no idea, theorycraft isn't my thing..

platypus2308 wrote:i mean , a war with stoicism (25%) + deter3 (20%) + capped resist (26%) + resist buffs (24%) = 5% of mezz duration ?
So let's say an evil sorcerer hit a fearless group of midgardian with his AE Mezz, this war will be mezed for like 3 seconds ?
Just curious here ...

There are several tiers of resists, first tier is I believe item + cast resists -> 0.5
second tier is det + stoicism -> 0.45

so the actual duration would be 0.5*(1 - 0.45) = 0.275 of the mezz

poplik wrote:There are several tiers of resists, first tier is I believe item + cast resists -> 0.5
second tier is det + stoicism -> 0.45

so the actual duration would be 0.5*(1 - 0.45) = 0.275 of the mezz

In that case , stoicism and deter are useless IMHO.
you still get like 20 second from an AE Mez w/o taking potential magic penetration from the caster .
Arent most fight over by that time ?
Making Purge the real win button and the RA to invest into for any class ?

platypus2308 wrote:In that case , stoicism and deter are useless IMHO.
you still get like 20 second from an AE Mez w/o taking potential magic penetration from the caster .
Arent most fight over by that time ?
Making Purge the real win button and the RA to invest into for any class ?

I was using det3 as per your example, with det 5 and red resists the CC is reduced to about 10% duration.

Koleriker wrote:You won't see a det 3 warrior in Emain

Thats why Koleriker said this above. Det 5 is what you will see, not Det 3. Trust, me it matters alot. With Det 5 and stoicisim roots and mez's are just a minor hindrance to Warriors. Throw in some purge and you have a character that you can barely slow down.

platypus2308 wrote:

poplik wrote:There are several tiers of resists, first tier is I believe item + cast resists -> 0.5
second tier is det + stoicism -> 0.45

so the actual duration would be 0.5*(1 - 0.45) = 0.275 of the mezz

In that case , stoicism and deter are useless IMHO.
you still get like 20 second from an AE Mez w/o taking potential magic penetration from the caster .
Arent most fight over by that time ?
Making Purge the real win button and the RA to invest into for any class ?

Hmmmm...you fell on your head when you were a baby? More than once?

Raggnar wrote:Hmmmm...you fell on your head when you were a baby? More than once?

Wow , now that's a really good argument you got there ...
Beside i'm just asking question here but i won't get any reply from you obviously.