Magicco wrote:Hm every ranger that is below rr7-8 is easy rp if he has not all RA up, and its a fair to easy (depends on proc/evade luck) fight.
Okay they have PD that reduce my weapon damage to a crap amount, but as a high counter i spam viper with every swing, so every 1,6 sec 220+ damage

Sure, Viper is imbalanced too. Its a vicious circle. You can't nerf Viper because then PD archers become OP. Casters and certain other classes avoid solo RvR because Viper is too strong against them. So you have a solo and small-man RvR community that consists almost entirely of stealthers with a few OP visible classes.

Wait, what thread is this again?

ZaiQQ wrote:

Kirillow wrote:How exactly can you avoid being engaged as a visible with no speed or anything like that?

You don't leave the pk.

Ah right, I somehow assumed it was about actual PvP

Kirillow wrote:

ZaiQQ wrote:

Kirillow wrote:How exactly can you avoid being engaged as a visible with no speed or anything like that?

You don't leave the pk.

Ah right, I somehow assumed it was about actual PvP

Works playing bd also, most run away from you!

Seyha wrote:

Magicco wrote:Hm every ranger that is below rr7-8 is easy rp if he has not all RA up, and its a fair to easy (depends on proc/evade luck) fight.
Okay they have PD that reduce my weapon damage to a crap amount, but as a high counter i spam viper with every swing, so every 1,6 sec 220+ damage

Sure, Viper is imbalanced too. Its a vicious circle. You can't nerf Viper because then PD archers become OP. Casters and certain other classes avoid solo RvR because Viper is too strong against them. So you have a solo and small-man RvR community that consists almost entirely of stealthers with a few OP visible classes.

Wait, what thread is this again?

Lol, touche It is a vicious circle, and your right about defending rangers, and I will do that (make a hunter) at some point, but I'm still slowly trying to get that toon I started on live (same toon, same name, same class, even gimped him the same way i did on live by not auto training) up to RR10. It was something I always wanted for my ranger on live until I had to sell my accounts. Now on Uthgard I got a chance and unfortuanately I have limited time sine the Old Ra's are coming and once that happens my rp's will drop by a good portion. Is ranger tough, sure, is it op'd, possibly with all his RA's up, but I just get tired of seeing the same old ranger QQ threads, which I honestly think is more of a result of so many rangers always being around AMG rather than the class being truly op'd. More people playing a class gives you much better odds of having good players play a class, therefore making them seem better. I could be wrong tho, and I couldnt agree more with you on your comment about "Wait, what thread is this again? lol, true true

Hm every ranger that is below rr7-8 is easy rp if he has not all RA up

Take any stealther of equal RR and equal practice ('skill' if that's what you want to call it), and put him against a Ranger. (Nightshade is irrelevant since they would only fight in duels). Then I'll take some of the crack you're smoking when you make this statement.

Lol, touche It is a vicious circle, and your right about defending rangers, and I will do that (make a hunter) at some point, but I'm still slowly trying to get that toon I started on live (same toon, same name, same class, even gimped him the same way i did on live by not auto training) up to RR10. It was something I always wanted for my ranger on live until I had to sell my accounts. Now on Uthgard I got a chance and unfortuanately I have limited time sine the Old Ra's are coming and once that happens my rp's will drop by a good portion. Is ranger tough, sure, is it op'd, possibly with all his RA's up, but I just get tired of seeing the same old ranger QQ threads, which I honestly think is more of a result of so many rangers always being around AMG rather than the class being truly op'd. More people playing a class gives you much better odds of having good players play a class, therefore making them seem better. I could be wrong tho, and I couldnt agree more with you on your comment about "Wait, what thread is this again? lol, true true

You got your cause/effect relationship all backwards here. You don't hear people complain about Rangers *because* there are so many... there *are* so many because they are the most overpowered stealther, silly!

So... you question why people *really* complain about Rangers, and offer some excuses why YOU are not playing a Ranger in an overpowered way or for that reason, and you'll play the weakest stealther once you get your easymode one to RR10. You send me on my Hunter your Hunter's name when you get him to RR5! You're no different than every person I ever talked to who played a Vampiir when they came out, or a Warlock on Classic Cluster servers on live. Always a reason why THEY weren't overpowered and it was all just QQ. There is a reason you always hear people complain about Rangers.

I laughed at least 3x reading this, on various levels.
You make their point for them, really.

Wow Balien, your so smart. Maybe my view on the cause/effect is wrong, or maybe yours is wrong. Were not exactly discussing formulas and equations where there is one right answer. I simply point out that if there is more people playing a class there will be more quality players on them. By your logic then I guess you should also start some infiltrator QQ threads since there is almost the exact same number of inf's as rangers and almost the same # of high RR inf's and rangers. Also, I dont care what you think about me and my play style, anyone who does play with me know's that all I have wanted since coming to this server (before I knew it was New RA's and before I knew this server had a problem with rangers) was to finish the ranger I started on classic live. Which, might I add, that the ranger at that time was the WORST of the stealthers. Hunter was much better overall and scout was better if you had purge down.

I'm glad I could make you laugh, but I dont know what you were reading that was so hard to understand. Essentially, the assasins on this server are upset because 1 class (ranger) can kill them pretty easily. Rangers are, for the most part RA dumpers, when IP and purge are down they got almost no chance against most well played assasins. Also, well played does not equal high RR. Dexx (Siminors inf) has beat me a few times and I'm MUCH higher RR then he is. I got beat by Jocelyn just last night in a fair fight. Stinkebart, Alanya, Goemon, Dunna, Seyha (hunter), Edgtho (hunter), Bistrovada (scout), Argyle (scout) and I could go on and on with the amount of stealthers that have beat me many times with RA's up and with RA's down. Some are higher RR than me, others lower, but leave it up to an assasin to complain that ONE class can beat them consistantly.

Also, dont worry, I will get a hunter up to 5L0, and I will make sure to shove it in your face afterwards. The difference between me and most people that complain on this server is I realise what I can and can't do on my ranger and play accordingly. Most of the others think that because they cant beat 1 class that the class is op'd when in reality its just a bad matchup for them. I'm never going to fight a friar and then say because I lose that the friar is op'd. Same with SM's and BD's as well as most well played merc's and warriors. See unlike my toon, assasin has nothing to worry about from any of those classes. To end this post, I issue you the same challenge. Make a ranger and get him to 5L0 yourself. Then please send me a tell in game and tell me just how easy mode it really is.

One more quick thing.... You say I'm going to play the weakest stealther after I get up to RR10 on my ranger, and by weakest stealther you mean hunter? If you do then you just proved that you know NOTHING about this game, stealthers, or RvR. The scout is by FAR the worst of the 3 stealthers. With every class having purge 1 on a 15 minute timer and some having purge 3 on a 5 minute time they have NO chance against other stealthers. The only time a scout wins a fight is when he is either grouped, add's in a fight, or if he gets lucky and goes after an assasin when that assasin doesnt have purge up. Hunter is nowhere near the realm of being as bad as scout. Hunter still has 2 of the 4 buffs that ranger gets AND he gets 2h weapon damage so he's not gimped when not using his bow. Yes, you have some problems with pet not doing proper dmg and 2h weapon not 1/2 parry rate, but to say you are the weakest stealther class is a joke.

Ironically, the Scout is gimped for the same reason as the Hunter: a lack of weapon-skill based defense penetration and the unfair advantage this gives Dual Weild classes. The Scout has his defense cut in half by assassins and Rangers. The Scout, on the other hand, can do nothing but get evaded by these classes.

Just as an example, if you have a Scout with a 60% chance to block and a 20% chance to evade, and you put him against an assassin, then the Scout's actual chance to defend an attack is about 40%.

Most assassins will have an evade rate close to 45%...

So the assassin has slightly better defense VS. a Scout, and does 3x the damage in melee with Viper spam.

Infis are the kings of stealth fight better qq about them, get viper 3 and ur done, u dont even need to style

Balian wrote:Take any stealther of equal RR and equal practice ('skill' if that's what you want to call it), and put him against a Ranger. (Nightshade is irrelevant since they would only fight in duels). Then I'll take some of the crack you're smoking when you make this statement.

hm a infi or sb can bash quite good a ranger with same RR and same skill. If a ranger dumps all RA its still a fair fight! If he has not one single RA up he is easy win, thats my POV as an assassin. i dont understand why there are so many QQ-Threads. And if i got side stunned, its my fault for playing bad

Balian wrote:You got your cause/effect relationship all backwards here. You don't hear people complain about Rangers *because* there are so many... there *are* so many because they are the most overpowered stealther, silly!

i think there are so many rangers out, cause everyone says that they are OP and than they believe the fairytale. do you see often a solo low-mid-rr ranger in emain that ganks every other stealther? not really because they are not OP and they need a decent RR to make a constant flow for realmpoints.

^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly, thank you Magicco. I am not kidding Balian, every week I have some random 4-5L0 ranger send me a tell asking what they are doing wrong because they cant ever seem to win a fight in frontier RvR. I laugh at all of them and just tell them to stick it out, farm df, and do gaurd tasks till you get over 6L0, because until then you will lose way more fights then you win.

If a Ranger can't beat an assassin then that Ranger isn't playing his class to its full potential. Should we be surprised that the permanent FOTM stealth class attracts lazy players who do nothing but /stick and expect to win?

I give u a normal fight as a ranger vs an infi. Side stun, Purge, ur opponent poisons u,ur opponent evades, ur opponent evades, ur opponent evades, ur opponent poisons u, ur opponent evades...ur dead
if u ve ip2 up ur lucky and u ll win evantually if he doesnt evade 10times in a row, if u dont ve ip up, ur so dead purge doesnt help vs infis anyway

You see that curved, wooden item in your inventory? Its called a bow.

Try using that some time.

If the Inf your attacking is any good at all at most you will get one arrow in them if you camo is down and maybe 2-3 if its up. Also, remember that not every ranger is spec'd for bow. Hell, most are mele spec. His poisons do that much dmg over time, plus the s/c debuff, disease, plus whatever else he comes up. You know what... I'm tired of these same old arguments. Seyha, I know at one time you were making a ranger, how is that coming along? Please, if its not 50 get it to 50, go out at 4L2 solo to emain and you tell me how well you do against other assasins. I'm not saying that high RR rangers dont win their fair share of battles, but its not like playing ranger is WTF Pwn easy win. I also see hunters give assasins a hard time when their camo is up and their RA's are up. I die all the f'ing time to assasins/mintrils/and YES even hunters and scouts. It happens. Now I will admit that I'm not the best ranger player on the server but I'm certainly not the worst either. So if a well played ranger at 7L8 can still get killed by other stealthers that are in the 5L range I would not exactly say that class is op'd.