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snorri sturluson
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Postby snorri sturluson » Sep 20, 2012 09:47

Hello to all,

I wonder what is the most effective way to setup the skald in RvR, the classic Tp song 46 44 17 or 39 18 50 song ?


regardless of whether you play in a group or soloing, from Ra or equipment, with 50 songs in it does a lot more damage with dd various

increasing the effectiveness

but lowering to 39 also drops the weapon weaponskill so you need tio make up your mind some expert online?

Thanks to all
Ecco là io vedo mio padre, ecco là io vedo mia madre e le mie sorelle e i miei fratelli, ecco là io vedo tutti i miei parenti defunti, dal principio alla fine. Ecco, ora chiamano me, mi invitano a prendere posto in mezzo a loro nella sala del Valhalla, dove l'impavido può vivere per sempre

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Postby Raggnar » Sep 20, 2012 09:51

I don't think that 50 to BS is needed, especially not for group rvr. Sure, you get one stronger DD(not a lot stronger) and the purple heal song. Best all around spec in my esperience is 44 BS, 39 hammer, rest parry. Good for group, excellent for solo. Only thing you miss is purple dmg add and purple heal song, you still get purple body chant and so much needed parry. With 39 in hammer you don't lose much dmg, but you can go higher hammer for the backsnare followup. Your dmg song is not really needed in group, skald has to always have his speed on, shaman or RM do dmg add anyway, and yellow one is perfectly fine for soloing.
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Postby snorri sturluson » Sep 20, 2012 09:59

yes but was wondering this because of the last direct damage with a weapon at 39 I would have the style for backsnare
Ecco là io vedo mio padre, ecco là io vedo mia madre e le mie sorelle e i miei fratelli, ecco là io vedo tutti i miei parenti defunti, dal principio alla fine. Ecco, ora chiamano me, mi invitano a prendere posto in mezzo a loro nella sala del Valhalla, dove l'impavido può vivere per sempre

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Postby Xantham » Sep 23, 2012 01:08

50 bs
39 hammer
rest parry
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Postby Daene » Sep 25, 2012 08:13

I drive good since 3.5 years with my offensive spec: 50 Sword 43 BS rest Parry :)

For solo runs just take aotg2 ip2 purge2 sos and you are fine. Can remember i killed once a rr6 minne (without pet) in emain with rr4 ^^
I think minnes ip3 was down XD

But yes, most ppl prefer hammer spec, is the best allrounder/defensive.
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Postby Raggnar » Sep 25, 2012 09:40

snorri sturluson wrote:yes but was wondering this because of the last direct damage with a weapon at 39 I would have the style for backsnare


Backsnare is a level 29 style, so no worries. Trust me, 50 BS is not all that bad, but you end up using so many points in abilities which really don't pay off. Make sure to have a fastest possible one hander for group play so you can rupt their support and perma snare them. Sword is absolute crap on skald. As a solo sword skald, you have endo for only few styles(keep in mind that you need to kite a lot and that you already drain endo with your dd's and twisting chants). Sword styles are crap and only benefit you get in group is that you have neutral dmg to alb support and +dmg to hib support(but your duty in group is to be rupt/RA dump bot anyway, not to kill). For solo play, using a fast or even medium speed one hander and landing an after parry stun gives you a free 2 handed hit, which is very nice :). Ofc that skill is most important, but seriously...hammer is far superior to anything on Midgard. You will have no problem destroying rangers several realm ranks above you, as well as some other solo classes. It makes me laugh when people say that they have "group spec sword skald"...what kind of group spec takes endo draining styles over a backsnare and a very low endo drain anytime? Trust me, I tried sword spec in group...even with endo 5 you still run out of endo, cause you use it for DD's, mezz, snare and you sprint constantly.
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Postby Daene » Sep 25, 2012 09:59

Hmm who is your Skald? Know many high RR skalds using sword and some hammer skalds who changed to sword too.
And you are the first one who is so aggro against sword skilling :D
And yes its mostly for grps, but skald is anyway not a real solo char... Will ask Saturas, i belive he tested both...

PS: And i just like the style :D never will change to hammer, maybe just if i start new one some days ^^
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Postby snorri sturluson » Sep 26, 2012 09:56

i think when my new tp is ready

respec to 50 bs 39 hammer now have aotg 3 sos 2 purge 2 mop 1 lw1 but maybe respec to aotg 2 for purge 3
Ecco là io vedo mio padre, ecco là io vedo mia madre e le mie sorelle e i miei fratelli, ecco là io vedo tutti i miei parenti defunti, dal principio alla fine. Ecco, ora chiamano me, mi invitano a prendere posto in mezzo a loro nella sala del Valhalla, dove l'impavido può vivere per sempre

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Postby Daene » Sep 26, 2012 15:53

Ok have talk with a 9l5 Skald who has tested different Specs. He told the best ist:

Grp: 44 Hammer 46 BS rest parry
Solo: 50 hammer rest BS

He told 50 BS is crap.

Sword only useful in Grps, best damage output but get fast ooe with yellow/red cele.
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Postby Raggnar » Sep 26, 2012 17:48

Daene wrote:Ok have talk with a 9l5 Skald who has tested different Specs. He told the best ist:

Grp: 44 Hammer 46 BS rest parry
Solo: 50 hammer rest BS

He told 50 BS is crap.

Sword only useful in Grps, best damage output but get fast ooe with yellow/red cele.


High rr does not equal skill or experience. If he truly has no parry in solo spec, then he is on drugs(heavy ones). Sword is not even useful in groups, because you need to rupt, not kill...and damage difference is not that big to even consider sword. Low endo drain anytime-backsnare for group and solo, and after parry and after block stuns(yes, skalds do block) for solo make hammer too good compared to any weapon line on Midgard. There are only few active high rr skalds that play prime time, and none of them are sword. Lot of adders/taskers on this server. For example, Skarz did his 600k+RP rush on rr6 on his shadowblade, and now on rr9 he owns pretty much everything, while some rr10 stealthers are still gimps, due to the fact all they did was tasking and adding. I seriously don't know any active or good skald that respeced from hammer to sword, since there are only few high rr skalds active anyway, and even less that are not adders and have constant solo fights against other high rr opponents.
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Postby Daene » Sep 27, 2012 07:34

You still dont told who is your Skald :D

I can write long theoretical posts too, but without practical background i would more belive a old expirienced highRR Player (and he never task as i know, most he runs solo or in Guild/Ally Grps) as one NoName player ;)

PS: Ofcouse its a difference between RRs, what is good for a RR9+ can be bad for a RR3+ ;)
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Postby snorri sturluson » Sep 27, 2012 10:37

my skald are around at 7 L
Ecco là io vedo mio padre, ecco là io vedo mia madre e le mie sorelle e i miei fratelli, ecco là io vedo tutti i miei parenti defunti, dal principio alla fine. Ecco, ora chiamano me, mi invitano a prendere posto in mezzo a loro nella sala del Valhalla, dove l'impavido può vivere per sempre

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Postby Daene » Sep 27, 2012 10:40

snorri sturluson wrote:my skald are around at 7 L

Not your :D Raggnar ;) I have asked him few posts up ;)
Just cause he seems to be a big skald expert ;)
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Postby Xacrag » Sep 27, 2012 10:49

Daene...its not hard to Skill a Skald.

Like Raggnar said theres only 1 feasible Spec and that is Hammer. Of course you do lot more DMG with Sword but thats not your job as Skald in a Group. A Skald who means he is DMG-Dealer should play a DD Class and not Midgards No. 1 Ruptbot when hes good played.

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Postby Daene » Sep 27, 2012 11:15

I speak notabout sword skill, i told few posts before i just prefer it casue for high offensive usability and nice looking :D

But 50 BS and high parry (as Raggnar prefer) is really not the best way, and thats not just my opinion, i talk with ppl who played skald longer and have higher RR ;) so they should know it.

Grp: 44 Hammer 46 BS rest parry
Solo: 50 hammer rest BS

This seems to be the best strategy for RR5+ allround skald.

But maybe we just missunderstund it, i talk about rr5+ allrounder not about low rr grp rupter.
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