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Nearsight for Wizard on Earth Line?

Yes
25
49%
No
26
51%
 
Total votes : 51

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Bloodwyne
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Postby Bloodwyne » Aug 28, 2008 19:14

Since i couldnt make a GM really take my point serious im asking myself, if my point is really so wrong or are GM's just to lazy to have a closer look on my problem.

Some of you might met me in Agramon sometimes, some of u think i play fairly well, some of u might think i just suck... if u belong to the first you might saw me playing in a group, if to the second u probably met me one on one

well in my point of view i often suck in group fights.. because when i am free of any adds i can nuke a target and sometimes it also dies...then people read xx was just killed by griselda and maybe think hes good, but i would have done better if i used some ae snare or maybe more often root a target that is on the sorc or on a cleric...
i think im pretty good in 1on1 though, but still i dont kill alot in 1on1...most of the time it is luck or my opponents mistake if he dies, why? because Firewiz is not able to kill anything in 1on1 if his opponent dont do really really bad mistakes... tell me please how can i win a fight against an eldritch? yes when im hiding well and he doesnt see me i can kill him with 2 bolts (well mostly 1 bolt misses, minimum) but if i face them 1on1 i have no chance.. i have root bolt and dd, well nothing of any use when nearsighted, i can purge it and have a little chance maybe...but damn i forgot all hib casters have stun...so why should i even try to face one.. i dont give up to fast so i die and die and die... so what do i do against an enchanter? if he does(when mana spec) the same damage with DD like i do because he can debuff his own damage??? and still got bomb, baseline stun, a pet and speed??

its really hard to describe and im sure alot of u have other scenarios which show that wizard is SOOOO STRONG!! but infact i played him alot and i had so many scenarios in which i just was the better player and still loosed against a stupid class everybody else would kill... all i want for christmas is nearsight on earth line

hope ur being newtral and just weight pro, and cons in your mind before voting...and use your imagination and own experience please dont just take the point i just mentioned... cause i have so many others but i have to go to agramon now eobair is waiting to farm me

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mfassben
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Postby mfassben » Aug 28, 2008 19:32

Bloodwyne,the problem is even though i agree that Wizzi on uth sucks,if you get NS granted for Wizards,other ppl will yell for changes for their classes aswell.Thats why i doubt it will ever come,especially since NS on Uth is freakin strong cause you have no Cure NS.

greetz,
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Haldan
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Postby Haldan » Aug 28, 2008 19:49

Das Designkonzept des Wizard war laut Mythic von Anfang an -> purer dmg dealer
Dementsprechend hat der Feuerwizard den bolt und spec nuke mit dem höchsten
delve. Beim bolt sind das sogar ganze 30delve mehr. Wizards sind nunmal keine
high-versatility caster, sonder einfach dazu da stupide dmg rauszujagen und wenn
man hierbei die RAs entsprechend auswählt, so kommt man auf doch recht interessante
Schadenswerte.

Ich bin mit meiner Geduld ehrlich gesagt am Ende, Bloodwyne. Ich habe Dir
vor einigen Tagen bereits erzählt, dass wir auf Uthgard die Klassenabilities
bei patch 1.8 aus gutem Grund gecapped haben. Heute fragtest Du dann ein
weiteres Mal Endiku. Jetzt startest Du zudem auch noch einen derartigen poll?
Egal was bei dem poll herauskommt ... es wird für den Wizard kein Nearsight
oder aber snarenukes geben. Zum einen da dies zu einer weiteren
"ich will ich will post 1.8 abilities haben" Lawine führen würde, als auch eine
eigentliche dmg-dealer Klasse mit Nearsight + Snarenuke + stärkstem spec
nuke und bolt prinzipiell overpowern würde.

Haldan

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Bloodwyne
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Postby Bloodwyne » Aug 28, 2008 20:16

haldan ich hab auch keine geduld mehr, da sich kein anderer gm dafür zu interessieren scheint, und deine meinung sowieso festgefahren ist, war dieser thread auch bewusst an die community gerichtet

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malle
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Postby malle » Aug 28, 2008 21:14

meine Meinung dazu:

Es sollten KEINE features über 1.80 kommen.

Man sollte den Leuten nur klar machen das Wizzard einfach schlicht scheiße ist auf uthgard ;) da er weniger dmg als ein Cabba macht und weniger Utility hat, wer Nuker spielen will soll sichn cabba machen fertig. Wizzard ist (leider) Dreck pre 1.80 egal welche RA`s er hat^^

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Duke
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Postby Duke » Aug 29, 2008 08:32

Bloodwyne, you will get Nearsight when I have shieldspecc with warden xD. But this will be in some years maybe xD (I have a quote of Kazuki saying that Shieldspecc is comming before the end of time... ^^ )

The question if wizzard isn't usefull at all is even worser than the midgard caster hate. If you train your Wizzard on ice it is really nice, bomb makes cold dmg, reaver makes cold dmg and you can also debuff 20 % cold.


If you need NS, cabba has one on the powerlevel line, ähh matter line^^

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Sonnenschein
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Postby Sonnenschein » Aug 29, 2008 10:34

Schließe mich da Islana an.
Sollte es Cure Nearsight hier auf Uthgard geben, wäre ich dafür. Ansonsten finde ich Nearsight nämlich auch ziemlich üba, wenns gut auf die Heiler gesetzt wird.
(Bubblerunenmaster ftw ^^)

=> Der NS Runi macht auf wirklich nur begrenzt Schaden, wenn er nicht grade mit Darkness DD auf gedubuffte Ressis castet :(

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massivmampfer
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Postby massivmampfer » Aug 29, 2008 11:32

wie gut, dass der eld seinen nearsight auf derselben linie hat wie seinen starken specnuke ;)

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Musikus
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Postby Musikus » Aug 29, 2008 12:11

KEINE after 1.80 changes...sonst will ich 210er smite für den cleic und auch PBAE heals die den schaden vom smiten zu 100% in heals umwandeln..

@ holz
man könnt auch sagen wie schön das hibs vieles (wenn nicht gar alles) ein paar level früher bekommen als albs..mach split-specc´s interessanter.

zb:
hib pom rot 44...in alb 46
hib gruppen Pom rot 45...in alb 47
hib nearsight 40...in albion 41
i miss my Lady....

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Rector
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Postby Rector » Aug 29, 2008 12:30

and I want sidestun
and xyz wants abc

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massivmampfer
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Postby massivmampfer » Aug 29, 2008 12:41

Musikus wrote:zb:
hib pom rot 44...in alb 46
hib gruppen Pom rot 45...in alb 47
hib nearsight 40...in albion 41


Hibernia ftw :P

Vor allem, da man sooft mana mentas in ner group hat^^

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Sonnenschein
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Postby Sonnenschein » Aug 29, 2008 14:57

What about Healerpatch!! More mana for all pls XD

Or can I get the hunter lovepatch pls since archerclasses suck on Uthgard?

Boah Bonie is sooo imba I think we should cut the lifetap to 8 sec. like in Patch xyz.....

nixian
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Postby nixian » Aug 30, 2008 09:31

this thread is a mess.. couldn't read half of it because it was german

Troham
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Postby Troham » Aug 30, 2008 18:08

it is like on the french servers i played. if somone writes french in a thread the rest of the threat will be french too. please excuse my follow countrymen. sometimes i think they dont know it better.

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Postby jrhadden » Aug 31, 2008 10:50

I think wizzard is really a class that sucks

-compared with eld (usual spec) : bomb/ae dd, root , bolt vs stun, mezz nearsight (light)
-compared with chanter(usual spec): ae dd,root, bolt vs stun , pet , speed, debuff
-compared with menta(usual spec): root ,bolt vs pet, mezz, stun , demezz

-compared with runemaster(usual spec): hmm vs speed, pbt , nearsight
-compared with BD(usual spec): ae dd, bolt vs istant drain, debuff, abs, pets pets pets usefull group RA

-compared with SM(usual spec): ae dd,bolt vs mezz,pet,lifedrain,demezz
-compared with valy : root , bolt , ae d vs instant snare , lifedrain, instant dd , instant dot , melee ..
-compared with thane: hey the first wizz victim


This sounds already bad...

In addition Wizzard is the only spellcaster on uth having not a single debuff. No dex debuff, no str debuff, no Combo debuff, no speed debuff, no resis debuff. just nothing.

But now comes the real* disadvantage!

Wizzards can only be Briton,Avalonian or Half Ogre.
-All races with low dex
-All races are big in size

Most of the fights i loose in 1v1 is because i havnt seen enemy / clicked him prolly because its a freaking small luri/kobold.


Of course he is a dmg dealer and in a proper group he can be nasty ...
but any other dmg dealer ( caster) in any realm can do the same + have more utility.

The only problem i see is the people crying for more 1.80+ changes. But here again i have the same opinions concerning old RA. I dont think mythic made the best choice to balancing neither did we using 1.80 with new RA. I think we should go our own way and try to figure out what would make RvR more balanced. People should start beeing objectiv.
Duke for example .. leave the crap out :) You know yourself warden can be fun and is quit of utility and even great solo. I self had a warden once ( will he be ever restored ? ). Having a look into herald will give u a clear picture!

I definitly played all realms on uthgard. I have Caster in Alb and Mid, which i have played active in level 50 RvR and solo quit effective.


@Calienta. well rune can have the "big dd" + nearsight + pbt + speed! ... and debuffing ? well wizz needs also someone to debuff .

@People say NS is pretty strong sure it is - but its already here on many classes :) its about looking at the big picture

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