do friars have a chance to be in pvp grp? in small man grp? is it only a PVE farming melee class ?

solo they are great, small men i d say yes u ll get invites, but really rarely in grp rvr.

so solo rvr ok, very often invited in small man, never in full grp. is that so?

what is the best spec for a small man friar?

was thinking about 45 buff 33 heal 34 staff rest in parry but i would have liked 39 staff for the evade chain.

your opinions?

what about RA's?

Primarch - don't forget to breathe!!

primarch wrote:so solo rvr ok, very often invited in small man, never in full grp. is that so?

what is the best spec for a small man friar?

was thinking about 45 buff 33 heal 34 staff rest in parry but i would have liked 39 staff for the evade chain.

your opinions?

what about RA's?

With 45 buff 34 staff 33 rej, you can have only 8 parry which is not realy useful in group. I would go for 34 rej for a better group hot if you are planning to heal that often. Have warden, shaman and friar here and i can say that secondary healers dont worth to go heal spec. Your heals are gimp and if you are the only one healing, your target will die most of the time.

My choice;

Small man;
24 rej (first hot)
47 enh (for the best haste)
39 staff
5 parry

Solo;
15 rej (better rez for more rp gain)
45 enh
39 staff (36 at RR5)
23 parry (28 at RR5)

Group (not much chance but..);
7 rej (you will not heal or rez, only rupt, assist, snare and stun when needed)
47 enh
44 staff (stun chain is usefull to help healers/casters, but you need to use your side snare most of the time)
12 parry

RAs; det5 is the most important RA for 8man, purge1 is doing ok for small man and solo. Purge2 is much better but has same timer and you miss more important RAs when you get that imo. I dont find static tempest realy usefull here, but you need to try yourself. Aug dex, Mastery of Pain, IP are the other usefull Ras. I would get det5, mop4, dex4, lw1 as fast as i can for group. For solo/small man i would ignore det and get purge1 + IP3.

thx!!

i think i ll go small man spec , it is also a good spec for pve to thid?

heal friar is viable in 8men, just very rarely picked because people don't realize how good it is.

Nef Melody wrote:heal friar is viable in 8men, just very rarely picked because people don't realize how good it is.

Does the Group Hot is really viable?
Spec like:
34 reg
38 enh
39 staff
14 parry
?

imamizer wrote: Have warden, shaman and friar here and i can say that secondary healers dont worth to go heal spec. Your heals are gimp and if you are the only one healing, your target will die most of the time.

My choice;

Group (not much chance but..);
7 rej (you will not heal or rez, only rupt, assist, snare and stun when needed)
47 enh
44 staff (stun chain is usefull to help healers/casters, but you need to use your side snare most of the time)
12 parry

Eh NO

Obviously the "Class-Nazis" are saying that a Friar is useless in grp.

I guess on Uthgard it's very hard cause indeed: Friar has low utility (same as Fire-Wizard)

BUT to say that secondary classes cannot heal is just stupid and wrong.
Okay, Shaman heals are crap, but why? Cause NO shaman on Uthgard has a high Heal-spec.

I only know very very few Heal-Wardens and they burst out heals which can outheal a Druid (they are faster oom, but good heals).
Most ppl don't realize that.

Fabulabelle wrote:Does the Group Hot is really viable?
Spec like:
34 reg
38 enh
39 staff
14 parry
?

What about this? ^^

Celteen wrote:

imamizer wrote: Have warden, shaman and friar here and i can say that secondary healers dont worth to go heal spec. Your heals are gimp and if you are the only one healing, your target will die most of the time.

My choice;

Group (not much chance but..);
7 rej (you will not heal or rez, only rupt, assist, snare and stun when needed)
47 enh
44 staff (stun chain is usefull to help healers/casters, but you need to use your side snare most of the time)
12 parry

Eh NO

Eh NO what? isnt' that my choice? Ok.

Finalement wrote:Obviously the "Class-Nazis" are saying that a Friar is useless in grp.

Nobody said useless, just not better than another cleric.

Finalement wrote:BUT to say that secondary classes cannot heal is just stupid and wrong.
Okay, Shaman heals are crap, but why? Cause NO shaman on Uthgard has a high Heal-spec.

I only know very very few Heal-Wardens and they burst out heals which can outheal a Druid (they are faster oom, but good heals).
Most ppl don't realize that.

No it's not stupid or wrong to say that. If you read again i was talking about beeing the only healer as a friar in small group. Do you realy think a heal spec friar can keep you alive for a long time when just 2 ppl on you? Hell no. He has no insta no DI and he will be interrupted whole fight.

And yes a heal spec warden can outheal a duid, but as you said its only possible by spamming high lvl spec heals and they go oom fast. Druids can do that too but they dont. Becouse it's stupid.

yes friars arent pikced up by albs 8 mna group due to albs lacking of distributed ablites on many classes

for group spec you will be needing 47 or 48(48 is beter for cold resisit) ench

as a base bufer classes your group can get spec aff on every toons(it is not an uber buf paly can twist yet having 80 af more on casters tanks is good ehen asisit trained this means about %10 more melee reduction) so lees power usage on clerics( and friars part)

for caster part albs face mostly runys(cold typ or enrgy) or eldritchs(heat cold) for that part having reist over %50 is good and also nice when purge wasnt up and having a 20 sec less duration timer on it

yes a friar cant heal well but they can still spec to 34 rej with out loosing some melee damge(29 staff) and even with 7 rej they can heal 100 with base small 200 with base big heal and 95+ with group each has a cast time of 2.3 sec max duo to high dex on friar

when your grouops clerics meezed and no purge active on them haing a det 5 healer sometiems save the day a friar can get group insta ra which is not effected by disease and got good value 375/750 margin and a timer of 15 mins whihc is shorter then clerics group isnta(20 mins)

a friar stays maxx 22 sec on red root mezz when he had det 5 a cleric stay for 35 sec that 13 sec a friar can cast 8 group heal which heals about 700+ on each member till enemy group distrupt him whihc gets another 3 sec to live for damge taken players

and even if interupted they can join assit train and do 100 200 damge each 2.5 sec (whihc is not bad)

i run with my friar on guild group(relam joint) they mostly dont want me in group couse i give nothing to them yet tehy take me and stil i saw not so many fights we loose if not outnumbered.

albs can win if tehy extand combats more tehn 5 mins couse hibs will be needing power on bard caster part

and mids cant outdps 2 healing classes(assuming 1 cleirc and 1 friar is free to heal spike damge)

also friar can save the zerged member with 7 sec ae disarm(it is realy great for assit train as well as rupting healers if cahrged on good time)

for solo i sugest you should go for 45 47 ench
36-44 staf (the numbers only increse your ws to hit self af bufed chars normal damge and side chain stun is sometiems useful)
7-15 rej your choice beter rez with slightly beter healing

for smal man group dont bother with a hybrid spec like 25 34 thngys as solo spec you will do good

In a grp you dont need high staff skill. Just play him as a warden without RA drop.
Even with 50 staff your damage is so low, no one will die by mighty friar staff in a 8vs8 ^^
Hence you are mainhealer and rupt if needed.