Seyha wrote:

Jezzmin wrote:i just dont understand why there's always the comparison between assassins and other stealthers...like hunter/rangers/scouts/minstrels vs. ns/sb/inf...the latter are more or less counter classes...so i wanted to make clear that, in my opinion, there's a lot other victims for snipers, such as the scouts which this thread is about...

You bring up a good point. If Assassins are counter classes for other stealthers, then what class is designed to counter Assassins? Assassins are just as good or better at killing non-stealth classes as archers. They have PA+CD, debuff poisons, dot-spam, Evade 7, and dual-weild. All of these abilities make them much better at killing hybrids (which most non-stealth solos are) than archers. Archers (real archers) are vulnerable to interrupts, snare, debuffs (as they have no debuffs of their own), and without defensive RAs they die quickly in melee.

So why should the Assassin class counter the Archer classes? If anything it should be the other way around.

Do you have your old manual of daoc? Look at the description of the classes.

All assasins were meant to kill one enemy, no matter which class. But after that you shouldnt be able to kill any more. A Archer can kill several targets in zergs/groupfights. Archer was meant as Adderclass.

Of course you could kill a solo, but assasins only with TS or luck on crits while slam.

And now, lynch me for saying this

True :p assassins are supposed to be the suicidal kamikaze 1 kill and vanish or die guy where scouts/archers were meant to sit on keep tops shooting people in epic battles

whether this is the truth still after so many years.. well.. I won't be the judge on that

What's to stop an Assassin from racking up RPs in the confusion of a zerg vs. zerg fight?

Maybe you'll get ganked right away, and maybe you'll get ignored.

And maybe an Archer will get taken out of the battle for 2 minutes with Near Sight.

Assassins will have it so easy with OF RAs. Archers aren't nearly as powerful on Uthgard as they were in 2001, and they never will be. The notion that archers need a dedicated counter-class is ridiculous.

Seyha wrote:Assassins will have it so easy with OF RAs. Archers aren't nearly as powerful on Uthgard as they were in 2001, and they never will be. The notion that archers need a dedicated counter-class is ridiculous.

no1 said it needed one, but as the others said..assassins are counter to like every1, except for maybe fulltanks...and as they are especially good at killing other stealthed classes they are the prime enemy of archers...

Jezzmin wrote:no1 said it needed one, but as the others said..assassins are counter to like every1, except for maybe fulltanks...and as they are especially good at killing other stealthed classes they are the prime enemy of archers...

I agree with you that assassins are unbalanced with OF RAs.

Seyha wrote:

Jezzmin wrote:no1 said it needed one, but as the others said..assassins are counter to like every1, except for maybe fulltanks...and as they are especially good at killing other stealthed classes they are the prime enemy of archers...

I agree with you that assassins are unbalanced with OF RAs.

might be true, but I never said that explicitly...my first char in my "daoc career" was an inf, which i played to RR5...this was way before RAs and stuff...so I can't really take part in the assassin-discussion concerning the RA-change...I always found, that they were pretty strong when hitting with PA/CD and fairly above average without them (I played only cabas and arms/pala)....dunno how they perform on uthgard, but I guess if so many ppl cry about them, there's gotta be some truth in their uberness and the "fear" considering the RA-change...in BGs there's almost no SBs and the few NS i met, were pretty strong, at least against my caby

but i think we just got off topic

My issue with assasin classes are that not only are they able to kill every class (albeit situational sometimes - PA from stealth etc) but now the slim defense archers had with mos is completely gone, and assasins are now given a huge bonus over archers in the form of detect hidden.

An assasin class can now see you no matter what, given the right RA's. so what would an archer class do when jumped by an assasin?

as a scout id slam, hope purge was down and run - but what then?
stealth up? -no cause the assasin will find you easy
crit some and melee? -Its a tough call i think if you didnt get the enemy down to 25% with arrows they'll eat you alive in melee
just keep running till they give up? - seems like the only option.

normally this would be a spasmodic occurence, but with Uthgard having such a high stealther population this will become the norm i think, im worried i wont be able to make it past amg...

camo still counter see hidden.. mos was not a counter to assassins but a weapon against them

nixian wrote:camo still counter see hidden..

Every 10 min.

nixian wrote:mos was not a counter to assassins but a weapon against them

Indeed the only one if used with camo and bow. Without mos bow is useless.

tonymo wrote:i wont be able to make it past amg...

Join the club.

The visible club that is...