Connavar wrote:Here are some related paladin questions:
What range had chants got at 1.65? (so how far away would he need to be rooted to be made ineffective)

1000 (for Endo)

Yeah the 1000 range is what makes it so bad. A pally can be demezzed, and if he's rooted it wouldn't so bad if the chant just had more range. It really should be 2000 or 2500. This was a mistake by Mythic and now we are still going to be paying for it 15 years later for a "classic" experience. Between this, 30m Purge, and no cure NS, I'm really not sure what's worse.

Ensley03 wrote:Yeah the 1000 range is what makes it so bad. A pally can be demezzed, and if he's rooted it wouldn't so bad if the chant just had more range. It really should be 2000 or 2500. This was a mistake by Mythic and now we are still going to be paying for it 15 years later for a "classic" experience. Between this, 30m Purge, and no cure NS, I'm really not sure what's worse.

the whining, definitely the whining

dongenergy wrote:

Ensley03 wrote:Yeah the 1000 range is what makes it so bad. A pally can be demezzed, and if he's rooted it wouldn't so bad if the chant just had more range. It really should be 2000 or 2500. This was a mistake by Mythic and now we are still going to be paying for it 15 years later for a "classic" experience. Between this, 30m Purge, and no cure NS, I'm really not sure what's worse.

the whining, definitely the whining

..so which realm are you going to play? :>

Im comitted and looking forward to playing alb. Been on Hib for many other classic freshards (including uth 1.0). But the problems with paladins(range, no dmg, no det, etc..) and end regen from pots with only 1 charge and only 2min dur is making it realy hard to be excited about the realm.. We need to convince the devs that this is a real problem and might have devastating effects on alb player base. And its not only a l33t 8v8 player problem, it effects all aspects of the game. From pve to relic raids. It hinders smallman groups and when solo players cant sprint to get to frontier it will severly limit the amount of players wanting to solo in rvr zones. It also limits the diversity of groups you will see from alb. plz plz plz this is a real problem and any kind of fix will be emensly appreciated by the comunity. I know and respect the goal for a 1.65 server, I love oldschool daoc and looking so much forward to it again, but some things were really bad and broken back then and as long as its not changing the balance in any way I dont see the harm.

Skyy wrote:We need to convince the devs that this is a real problem and might have devastating effects on alb player base.

We are aware of the situation, and end pots / paladins will stay as they are. Whether this will tank the Albion population remains to be seen. All the data we have right now shows that Albion can compete with the other realms (the US player thread, and the RvR groups spreadsheet). If Albion population does become a problem, we got a lot of other buttons to tweak rather than introducing custom balance changing features.

dongenergy wrote:

Ensley03 wrote:Yeah the 1000 range is what makes it so bad. A pally can be demezzed, and if he's rooted it wouldn't so bad if the chant just had more range. It really should be 2000 or 2500. This was a mistake by Mythic and now we are still going to be paying for it 15 years later for a "classic" experience. Between this, 30m Purge, and no cure NS, I'm really not sure what's worse.

the whining, definitely the whining

awwwww yissss thank you

Thanks Trishin for response. It might seem like alb will be fine now but when ppl start playing and realize that its super anoying to have to stop rvr to go fill up on pots and spend hours crafting many hundreds of pots every day just to be able to go in frontier I am convinced that you will see alb playerbase drop. So maby from day 1 there will be a lot of albs, but might not last even a month. As I am part of one of thouse alb groups in the grp sheet I can tell you that we are all concerned about this. And the other grps we have talked to share the concern. Changing pots wont even be a balance change, its just saves all players excessive amonts of time restocking and make life in the frontier smoother. And I am not trying to be lazy here, I have no problem with daoc beeing a bit grindy. But even mythic changed pots to 10min for a reason. Isn't it better to be ahead of the problem and make this small change before the alb playerbase drops? plz reconsider <3 <3

ps. looking soo much forward to server! Keep up the good work devs!

Skyy wrote:Thanks Trishin for response. It might seem like alb will be fine now but when ppl start playing and realize that its super anoying to have to stop rvr to go fill up on pots and spend hours crafting many hundreds of pots every day just to be able to go in frontier I am convinced that you will see alb playerbase drop. So maby from day 1 there will be a lot of albs, but might not last even a month. As I am part of one of thouse alb groups in the grp sheet I can tell you that we are all concerned about this. And the other grps we have talked to share the concern. Changing pots wont even be a balance change, its just saves all players excessive amonts of time restocking and make life in the frontier smoother. And I am not trying to be lazy here, I have no problem with daoc beeing a bit grindy. But even mythic changed pots to 10min for a reason. Isn't it better to be ahead of the problem and make this small change before the alb playerbase drops? plz reconsider <3 <3

ps. looking soo much forward to server! Keep up the good work devs!

I agree with this, this is not a balance change, like increasing the radious of pala chant, or giving pala det3, this is just a quality of life change, that would affect all three realms. I think the number of people who would complain about this being a custom change would be far outweighed by the benefit of having more of a chance of longterm trirealm PVP with some kind of equality of numbers.

Connavar wrote: or giving pala det3

We saw how much that changed on that other server. Paladins everywhere

"...All the data we have right now shows that Albion can compete with the other realms..."
Of cause they CAN, but it is not the same effort... Pots needed and or more individual classes needed for a good setup...

Anyway, Daoc has never been perfect. If I loose or win is not that important, I am curious to play.

Also thanks for your work.
Greetings