Hello

i had a discussion with a friend of mine about reaver and he told me reaver > champion and thane.
Honestly i had some doubts about it because the 3 of them has slam, no det and both deal great dmg. I know Reaver has leviathan and many chants but in another hand Thane has also a lot of DPS including his rrk5 ability and WOC while champion has also WOC and great debuffs/dd (and also has a good RRK5 ability.

In your opinion, what is the best of 3. let's say both are rrk 5 for solo.
I will not ask about grp because it is not a fair evaluation knowing on alb they like reavers while grped thanes and champions are quite rare.

thx

If we are talking strictly damage, reaver gets the cake. Yes champ with bov up hit like crazy but reaver has high damage all the time. And thane has a problem that casting and meleeing is either or. So basicaly he hits in melee like the hybrid he is or he casts his spells with no rising dexterity and acuity buff.

with everything up thane will pwn both of em.
just hit/nuke them to 70-75% and than hit/dd/rr5/woc if they slam/stun you before purge if they use ip on 70% just hit them to 70% again should be still doable
afterwords you can go afk 15mins cause noone will fight you if you do /no ****** up amg rules

Akip are you sure? Thane, Champ and Reaver all has inst casts to rupt from 1500 Range.
So the Thane only can use his inst DDs for attacking Reaver/Champ on range. He barely can use his slow 3,0s DD Casts
(Thane also hasn't Dex as rising stat which affects Castspeed, Block and Parry)

The Thane has no DD Styles on Uthgard but Reaver has Lifeleech Proc Buff (40% chance?), LL inst cast, LL Style Chain so he can leech himself up during the fight and ofc reaver has the amazing Slam+Levi combo.
Reaver also has a better def because of Evadechance and Dex as 2nd rising stat.

If you just compare the offence and defence for -Thane vs. Reaver- then the Reaver clearly has the upper hand.
You also forget about Reavers RR5 and twf.

So if both classes have everything up, same equipment utility and same RR the Thane will have a tough fight to win against the Reaver. Reaver has here quite the better chances if he uses its abilities smart i guess.
If both classes have everything down the Thane will loose the fight.

im just talking about ra/rr5 spam
i know that chikane gets usually woced by droghtor and because reaver doesn't have many hp it usually works fine

Well if we just look on RAs the TWF is much better than WoC.

WoC - 10min reuse - 150 radius (inst PBAE) - 200 DD, 500 DD or 750 DD (Spirit based, so you cause at least 2x% less dmg)

TWF - 10min reuse - 500! radius (1500 Range GTAE - 2sec non ruptable cast) - 25DD (x3 ticks=75 DD), 100DD (x6 ticks=600 DD), 250DD (x10 ticks=2500 DD overall) + 50% snare (essence based - at least on live servers, so the DDs won't be lowered by any buff or tempresi)

With TWF3 the Reaver can put massive preassure on the Thane and make him run out of the field (well or the Thane dies there - he has hybrid hitpoints too). On top the Thane is snared by 50% while trying to escape and the reaver can levi him down with a few hits.

If the Thane uses Static (350 rad) on the reaver to hold him in place while running out of the twf he even looses several hundret hits while the reaver tries to escape from the static. If the Thane stays in the TWF and attacks the reaver he will die from that dmg so both ways the thane will be forced to run out of the twf.
After both fields are down the Reaver can leech himself up with LLs and still has better Def and Off than the Thane.


The only way a thane could kill a reaver is to throw everything on him within a few seconds at the beginning of the fight (inst DDs, WoC, RR5, Styles, Slam, inst pbae, etc.) and hope its enough dmg to kill the reaver.
If the Thane hasn't up all this stuff and misses one or two of them he looses in the direct close combat.

How many damage a reaver can expect from his RR5 ability ?

I do 200 and change on mine. Depends on resists I guess.

imho you can't compare classic classes with an SI class....you should compare svg-vw-reaver or something, though svg is very different from the others...the actual comparison should be champ-pala-thane, as these are the real counterparts...but this is like comparing cleric-healer-bard or wizard-eldritch-shamy...

He is not trying to find a fair comparison between counterparts' class. He wants to compare that three classes.
For my own, I think reaver and thane are stronger. Then, depending on resists, but I see reaver > thane.

i was comparing offensive hybrids. i could have replace champion by valwalker indeed. but it would have been a comparison between 2 SI class vs one classic class.
Savage ? heard savage is bugged and use hand to hand as "one hand" dmg table. so do we have to discuss on comparison with a bugged class?

this is why for offensive hybrid i was interesting in comparing reaver, thane and champion.

i like reaver but even he is stronger i feel i will not play it because i find it to be a no skill class. honestly : slam, levi, levi, levi and dead : what else ?

Autarch wrote:i like reaver but even he is stronger i feel i will not play it because i find it to be a no skill class. honestly : slam, levi, levi, levi and dead : what else ?

Slam gets purged quite often... if you are very low on hp, you can go for side-chain with lifeleech - you gotta switch Auras - hunt kiting classes, react on vanishing stealthers - deal with multiple enemies at once (rupt one, kill another), deal with high shield enemies, which you hardly can slam... it is not a 2 button char.... but this is all from a lvl 49 Reaver's perspective.

Not to mention that positional styling is quite broken on Uthgard, to the point where you can get off back positionals from the front.

If you are handy,you can use levi as "anytime" Because i am lame player,i need slam enemy to use levi If enemy use his purge2/3,I am mostly dead.
Trying fool enemy with numb not working much.