Blue wrote:I would be happy if somebody takes the task and measure these factors on live as its quite important.

The task is:
Find out how much Weaponskill raises when the damage stat is raised.

Eg. How much WS you gain by adding 100 STR while wearing a certain weapon.

A new topic should be opened (or this one split into two) so volunteers can be found. I hardly even play these days so I can't promise to test anything soon, but I'll definitely check it out in a few weeks for at least a few classes because I'm very interested in the results.

And a separate or split topic is definitely needed. This could also be an cool community project, everyone is always asking for more feedback on bug testing etc, these tests take very little time and people can post their results there. Maybe a sticky?

Blue wrote:Btw in the table above (http://www.dethguild.com/daoc/info/info ... ml#anchor8) there was a clear difference between Hunter Sword and Hunter Spear. But that was tested on live by me and I found no such difference. Both had the same factor. So I dont know how much this table can be trusted.

I'm not surprised, in fact I am always suspicious of tables and lists without numbers to prove them. But Weaponskill was adjusted by Mythic many times, especially with the addition of new classes, so the table could be too old for some cases. I'm sure Uthgard is off on at least a few classes when we consider how things were in earlier patch limits.


Also, here's an old post of mine that I made in that discussion about bow vs melee WS for Rangers, maybe it will prove helpful. These are for level 30 characters with a weaponspec of 30 (for those that can spec a weapon) and 85 strength.

Nymeros wrote:I found the Internet Archive of this link, which I remember was widely regarded as being the most accurate WS table at that date. It is before the savage 2-Handed nerf but that alone should be easy to correct.

http://web.archive.org/web/200407030615 ... nskill.txt

Here are the results with a bit of clarification from VN boards:
http://vnboards.ign.com/daoc_valewalker ... 178/p1/?15
(scroll down to the post by "Sharadar")

Summary of Weaponskill in order ((#) denotes the boosted Weaponskill from the lower # tables):

1. Warrior [418]: (2) 4.5%, (3) 7.5%, (4) 14.8%, (5) 21.2%, (6) 27.8%, (7) 65.9%, (8.) 86.6%

2. Armsman, Hero, Mercenary, Blademaster. Berzerker, Savage(2H) [400]: (3) 2.8%, (4) 9.9%, (5) 15.9%, (6) 22.3%, (7) 58.7%, (8.) 78.6%

3. Valewalker [389]: (4) 6.8% (5) 11.3%, (6) 18.8%, (7) 54.4%, (8.) 73.7%

4. Savage (HtH) [364]: (5) 5.5% (6) 11.3% (7) 44.5% (8.) 62.5%

5. Champion, Reaver, Skald, Paladin, Hunter, Friar (Staff) [345]: (6) 5.5%, (7) 36.9%, (8.) 54%

6. Warden, Bard, Thane, Minstrel, Scout, Infiltrator, Nightshade, Ranger, Shadowblade [327]: (7) 30%, (8.) 46%

7. Healer, Shaman, Friar (Blunt) [252]: (8.) 12.5%

8. Druid, Cleric [224]

Edit: HtH savage with 85 str/dex has a weaponskill of 364

His original posted results can be found at -

http://www.theamazonbasin.com/daoc/foru ... st&p=58686

http://www.theamazonbasin.com/daoc/foru ... topic=7926

The staff might want to check the two links on the bottom of the quote also as they contain details of the tests. Since Uthgard doesn't have diminished returns, these results should be taken into account.

Ironicaly, that VN boards link I gave also has a quote by the Thane Team Lead confirming that Thanes, in fact, are on a lower damage table then other hybrids. ^^

Is there any bugreport for calculate WS into defense penetration?

With 2h its nearly impossible to kill any class with high defense (evade, block, parry)

Yep,and it's fun to see that a Skald can land any of his hit vs my arms and i don't block or parry any of his hits...
And this guys is able to evade/parry all of mine.
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