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Mikeyboy
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Postby Mikeyboy » Jun 24, 2012 16:09

How the heck do you have a "player council" and not allow the players to choose it? What the hell is this a German Dictatorship? Anyone from Addingarde representing us just shows the current sad state of affairs....Heil, mein Führer?

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EternitySphere
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Postby EternitySphere » Jun 24, 2012 16:41

I really don't see the point of a council when staff won't listen to the community anyways. When 95% of the server disagrees with a change that's made, staff simply ignore it and claim it's "livelike", yet in their very next post they will make a custom change that is not livelike at all.

The council is just going to be used to blame bad decisions by the staff on. The staff will continue to make decisions they want without any regard to what the players really want, and if the players make valid points about why they're wrong....it's just easier to lock every thread discussing it.

And a council for the community that isn't chosen by the community? LOL....seriously, goodluck.
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Eternitys - If were allowing custom changes, why would the staff choose to remove a very very good and highly accepted custom change such as barrels? Then on top of that, use the "it's livelike" excuse as a reason for removing them? If staff are so concerned about livelike and that's the direction the staff wish to go, I'd fully support a 100% livelike server. However if there are custom changes on the server, then using the "livelike" excuse is being nothing more then hypocritical.

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Nef Melody
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Postby Nef Melody » Jun 24, 2012 18:05

That's not entirely true eternity sphere, I spoke to lots of people ingame and some of them are happy about the barrel fix, because some solo players and stealther don't run fully buffed anymore, because it's just too much work. Just to take this as an example, because there can only be seen QQ about this fix on the forums as far as i'm aware of that.
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Postby poplik » Jun 24, 2012 18:14

Nef Melody wrote:That's not entirely true eternity sphere, I spoke to lots of people ingame and some of them are happy about the barrel fix, because some solo players and stealther don't run fully buffed anymore, because it's just too much work. Just to take this as an example, because there can only be seen QQ about this fix on the forums as far as i'm aware of that.


I am gonna go on a limb and assume these people don't play class that uses power? :>
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Raggnar
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Postby Raggnar » Jun 24, 2012 18:34

It's weird. When Luydor posted this, it sounded like players will be fairly elected and so on, and then he nominates two of his friends. Why even stating the prerequisites for the council, when you already know who will be in it...sorry mate, but that ain't fair. I said it and I will say it again, both Rector and Holsten are nice guys who invest a lot of time in the server, but this council is not about that, it's about presenting the opinion of the realm to the staff. With all due respect, both of those guys don't know jack ****** how the realm of Midgard feels. If you wanted it this way, you could have just stated at the begining that player council is formed from certain players and that's all there is to it. You made it sound like we will have a fair election and choice, which we obviously don't. Also, as I have said before, if you are good friends with them and they can give all the info to you, why the hell don't you take the place as one of the Midgard representatives, and let others be from other guilds and alliances, since Holsten and Rector can speak to you directly anyway and tell you how their guilds/alliances feel like about certain matters. Like I said, you will probably make a good choice, but I see a ****** of contradictions here right from the start so you could have really saved us the trouble and said that council has been elected, instead of making us believe how there are some prerequisites and that we will have a fair vote.
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EternitySphere
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Postby EternitySphere » Jun 24, 2012 18:40

Nef Melody wrote:That's not entirely true eternity sphere, I spoke to lots of people ingame and some of them are happy about the barrel fix, because some solo players and stealther don't run fully buffed anymore, because it's just too much work. Just to take this as an example, because there can only be seen QQ about this fix on the forums as far as i'm aware of that.


Almost everyone I spoke to, stealthers, nonstealthers alike, felt the change made no sense at all except to make gameplay more of a hassle. This change benefits only those classes that self buff and those people whoa re very patient and willing to jump through hoops. I myself have np fillign my inventory with potions so my buffs wont change. In fact, it benefits me even more because many people won't be buffing or have access to an LGM Alch.

The feeling about the change was overwhelmingly negative, even if you just logged on and watched broad channels, everyone felt the change ws an attempt by staff to "kill the server". Their words, not mine.

If the point of the council to to convey how the server feels about changes so they can listen, when I personally was trying to do the exact same thing about the barrel change, it will be as useless as my attempt to make staff see other peoples opinions. When staff says the change is made because it's livelike yet continue to make changes that aren't livelike, there's a huge amount of hypocrisy.

If the council is going to represent the playerbase, where are the polls or thread to allow the playerbase to nominate those we want to represent us? To me it just seems like an attempt to make it seem like the staff are listening to the playerbase, and when the playerbase doesn't agree with changes, the staff will simply say "it was the councils decision" instead of using the "livelike" argument which has very little value due to the amount of custom changes.

No, I'm pointing this out now so people hopefully see through the charade. At least to me, this is how everything sounds. I've seen people play this game before.

Edit - just to be clear, this isn't just about the alchemy change, this is about everythign in general and the "livelike" argument. Now that they see the "livelike" argument doesn't work as much anymore, they're adding a new argument, imho.
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Eternitys - If were allowing custom changes, why would the staff choose to remove a very very good and highly accepted custom change such as barrels? Then on top of that, use the "it's livelike" excuse as a reason for removing them? If staff are so concerned about livelike and that's the direction the staff wish to go, I'd fully support a 100% livelike server. However if there are custom changes on the server, then using the "livelike" excuse is being nothing more then hypocritical.

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Postby Zarkor » Jun 24, 2012 18:47

EternitySphere is one of the few people left around here who actually make sense tbh. I'm 100% with him on this.
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Nef Melody
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Postby Nef Melody » Jun 24, 2012 18:48

It is not directly representing, it is about knowing alot of playres and lots of different player types to gather their opinions, it is more like a research role as far is i've understood the intention.
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Postby Blue » Jun 24, 2012 18:51

Nef Melody wrote:It is not directly representing, it is about knowing alot of playres and lots of different player types to gather their opinions, it is more like a research role as far is i've understood the intention.

Right, it will help to have a better base to discuss changes with more involved than just the staff without having all the flame and senseless posts attached like we see in the open forums.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
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Postby Zarkor » Jun 24, 2012 18:51

Luydor wrote:The Videos, I just wanted to post the one from Glimli, because it one of the best that was created on the server

Oh and just lol @ this, you can't even see anything actually happening apart from a few AE spells most of the time... :gaga:
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Blue
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Postby Blue » Jun 24, 2012 18:54

Zarkor, your negative attitude is disturbing me.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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EternitySphere
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Postby EternitySphere » Jun 24, 2012 18:54

Blue wrote:
Nef Melody wrote:It is not directly representing, it is about knowing alot of playres and lots of different player types to gather their opinions, it is more like a research role as far is i've understood the intention.

Right, it will help to have a better base to discuss changes with more involved than just the staff without having all the flame and senseless posts attached like we see in the open forums.


I never flamed. I tried to have a very logical discussion with you and staff about the recent changes. My discussions were either locked or deleted. What followed was frustration because when asked about the playerbases opinions and if they mattered, you told me "it depends".
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Mid - Spheres, Cicada, Aalea

Eternitys - If were allowing custom changes, why would the staff choose to remove a very very good and highly accepted custom change such as barrels? Then on top of that, use the "it's livelike" excuse as a reason for removing them? If staff are so concerned about livelike and that's the direction the staff wish to go, I'd fully support a 100% livelike server. However if there are custom changes on the server, then using the "livelike" excuse is being nothing more then hypocritical.

Staff - Locked!

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Postby Blue » Jun 24, 2012 18:56

I did not say you flamed but a serious discussion is not possible in an open forum where everyone can throw in his trash without reasoning.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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EternitySphere
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Postby EternitySphere » Jun 24, 2012 18:58

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Eternitys - If were allowing custom changes, why would the staff choose to remove a very very good and highly accepted custom change such as barrels? Then on top of that, use the "it's livelike" excuse as a reason for removing them? If staff are so concerned about livelike and that's the direction the staff wish to go, I'd fully support a 100% livelike server. However if there are custom changes on the server, then using the "livelike" excuse is being nothing more then hypocritical.

Staff - Locked!

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Abydos
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Postby Abydos » Jun 24, 2012 18:58

Do not turn this into a barrel topic. That matter is closed. No further replies about that please.

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