Seksy wrote:There always has to be some form of respect which everyone "should follow". One example is when two realms are fighting 8v8 and a third adds, this normally results in the two realms to stop fighting and kill the one adding, then they separate and fight again later. Same happens when someone solo's, those who adds two solo fighters normally results in them killing the add. Now we know the game doesn't have any rules to RvR, but we put them there so that everyone can have a fair chance.

Another example which DG did a lot was run out to emain with 8man, only to get stomped by every other 8man grp, then build a zerg as revenge I guess... This would result in alb/hib working together to take them down, or albs/hibs building an "elite" zerg with other 8man grps. This never ended well for DG and the end result was them quitting while the 8man continue their play style. These are the rules that are normally enforced by elite players in emain and GM's can't do anything about it.

The real truth is that Casual players must follow the Elite rules as they are superior and are able to enforce them through sheer rvr force. Now you might say "well casuals can build zergs to end the elite fun in emain", well yes you can try but sometimes even 1 elite grp can kill two and two can kill 3 maybe 4, so it never ends well for casuals if they don't "play by the rules". If you are Low RR (less difference in old ra's) then you could in theory choose any of the other two RvR zones which will probably be filled with players who are a little easier to deal with. Sure it might take you more time but you will probably have better results then going to emain.

Please name one MMO which allows casuals to be at the same level as Hardcore players without a cash shop? None because MMO's don't reward you for casually playing. If I invest more time and effort to a game I will always be superior because that's just how it works especially in a game which has such a system as RA's! At least the system set in place by elite players give casuals a chance to have fair fights. Every play style is possible because there are two other rvr zones, but don't bring that hood mentality to emain or else expect to not have fun......

Seksy wrote:There always has to be some form of respect which everyone "should follow". One example is when two realms are fighting 8v8 and a third adds, this normally results in the two realms to stop fighting and kill the one adding, then they separate and fight again later. Same happens when someone solo's, those who adds two solo fighters normally results in them killing the add. Now we know the game doesn't have any rules to RvR, but we put them there so that everyone can have a fair chance.

Another example which DG did a lot was run out to emain with 8man, only to get stomped by every other 8man grp, then build a zerg as revenge I guess... This would result in alb/hib working together to take them down, or albs/hibs building an "elite" zerg with other 8man grps. This never ended well for DG and the end result was them quitting while the 8man continue their play style. These are the rules that are normally enforced by elite players in emain and GM's can't do anything about it.

The real truth is that Casual players must follow the Elite rules as they are superior and are able to enforce them through sheer rvr force. Now you might say "well casuals can build zergs to end the elite fun in emain", well yes you can try but sometimes even 1 elite grp can kill two and two can kill 3 maybe 4, so it never ends well for casuals if they don't "play by the rules". If you are Low RR (less difference in old ra's) then you could in theory choose any of the other two RvR zones which will probably be filled with players who are a little easier to deal with. Sure it might take you more time but you will probably have better results then going to emain.

Please name one MMO which allows casuals to be at the same level as Hardcore players without a cash shop? None because MMO's don't reward you for casually playing. If I invest more time and effort to a game I will always be superior because that's just how it works especially in a game which has such a system as RA's! At least the system set in place by elite players give casuals a chance to have fair fights. Every play style is possible because there are two other rvr zones, but don't bring that hood mentality to emain or else expect to not have fun......

Austerim wrote:

Seksy wrote:There always has to be some form of respect which everyone "should follow". One example is when two realms are fighting 8v8 and a third adds, this normally results in the two realms to stop fighting and kill the one adding, then they separate and fight again later. Same happens when someone solo's, those who adds two solo fighters normally results in them killing the add. Now we know the game doesn't have any rules to RvR, but we put them there so that everyone can have a fair chance.

Another example which DG did a lot was run out to emain with 8man, only to get stomped by every other 8man grp, then build a zerg as revenge I guess... This would result in alb/hib working together to take them down, or albs/hibs building an "elite" zerg with other 8man grps. This never ended well for DG and the end result was them quitting while the 8man continue their play style. These are the rules that are normally enforced by elite players in emain and GM's can't do anything about it.

The real truth is that Casual players must follow the Elite rules as they are superior and are able to enforce them through sheer rvr force. Now you might say "well casuals can build zergs to end the elite fun in emain", well yes you can try but sometimes even 1 elite grp can kill two and two can kill 3 maybe 4, so it never ends well for casuals if they don't "play by the rules". If you are Low RR (less difference in old ra's) then you could in theory choose any of the other two RvR zones which will probably be filled with players who are a little easier to deal with. Sure it might take you more time but you will probably have better results then going to emain.

Please name one MMO which allows casuals to be at the same level as Hardcore players without a cash shop? None because MMO's don't reward you for casually playing. If I invest more time and effort to a game I will always be superior because that's just how it works especially in a game which has such a system as RA's! At least the system set in place by elite players give casuals a chance to have fair fights. Every play style is possible because there are two other rvr zones, but don't bring that hood mentality to emain or else expect to not have fun......

Cad wrote:It is your own fault if you get added/zerged in emain/bref when you are 8v8. You can't go fight in the most popular part of the FZ where everyone goes for fast action and expect to not be added or zerged. You can't control people and expect them to follow your rules at the most popular place to RVR so you have to go where others are not. Make mid or alb your set grp 8v8 zone.

Veritaas wrote:but dont think that you will earn respect for ruining someone elses fun

Veritaas wrote:

Cad wrote:It is your own fault if you get added/zerged in emain/bref when you are 8v8. You can't go fight in the most popular part of the FZ where everyone goes for fast action and expect to not be added or zerged. You can't control people and expect them to follow your rules at the most popular place to RVR so you have to go where others are not. Make mid or alb your set grp 8v8 zone.

1. I dare to say that the 8vs8 groups are the reason why emain is the most popular place: it is because they are there. If you told them to go to odins, guess what the zerg will do? They will port/move to odins in order to gank the lesser numbers (if there are no other groups out - which is very likely, because most of the groups out are 8vs8 groups)
TL;DR: The zerg will be wherever the 8vs8 groups are.

2. No one wants to control people or demand them to follow a mindset. You are free to do what you want to do, but dont think that you will earn respect for ruining someone elses fun. Of course it can be that you will get away with it, but don't cry when suddenly 2-3 8vs8grps team up to kill the opposing zerg together. The same goes for all other kinds of add: You are free to leech, but if you do, the 8vs8 grps are free to disengage and let the other group kill you. Its your gamble.
TL;DR: Do what you want, and they will do as they want (by working against you together).

Foneb wrote:Im fine beeing a traitor to my realm then. Cross-realming/teaming is totaly fine though as long as its not preplaned since otherwise atacking another keep/relic while the other realm is atacking the same realm could be considered cross-teaming then. All you are not allowed to do is activly harm your realm mates (sticking a stealthed realmate to give away position for example, pull an aggro mob into them etc) passivly by not dooing anything is fine by policys