I won't play again if they wipe...

but to keep names when the staff smashes all chars naked to level 1 your account data will be open again, so you can start from the beginning (one of the opportunities considered).

And if they go for the solution "one player = one account" (and so one realm only - and you can't hold more then 10 names ^^) they maybe could do something like these chars can't move on login. so you can log on on your old accounts and you're just able to talk ingame or to delete your toon on starter screen. after doing that log to your new "master account" and create your new toon which can travel around as usual.

Some time after new start Staff wipes all old accounts and unused level one chars. names that didn't made it to a master account are free then... solves the problem of blocked names and if you have only one toon per account you can save at least ten names from... how much toons have been played by Zai?

so if its the whine, we should get some cheese and a cronjob for server wipe

i really hope that the - 1 account / 1 realm - policy like on origins will be implemented.

this would be a huge win for the community.

ZerGlinG wrote:

daz wrote:

ZerGlinG wrote:why? think again! ALL PLAYERS NEED TO BE EVEN at relaunch.. if not.. instant QQ again!

so for those who start late(r) we need to wipe the server again, would be unfair otherwise

no. because the state of server/settings hasn't changed since then. same basic conditions.

think around some corners more.. not just one

LOL, if you honestly think the Uthgard 2.0 after a wipe will not have changes made it after launch then you are delusional. Things will still get changed, and based upon the logic that you and others use then after every change there would need to be a server wipe because new players wouldnt get to experience whatever got changed.

Also, you must not read the forums often if you think that a wipe will solve peoples whining. People will complain no matter what on this server. People complained about barrels so they got changed, then players were upset they got removed. Players asked for 1.69 BG's, we got them and how did that go over? People asked for removal of hastners, it happend and players got upset.

You see, no matter if you listen or dont people will always complain. The biggest job of the GM's imo, is to listen and think without bias which things will help the overall betterment of the server. Maybe they think a wipe will accomplish this, but it wont change the core problem that casual low RR players will be getting farmed by high RR hardcore players. This is just a mirage to bring in high #'s for a short time period.

RonELuvv wrote:LOL, if you honestly think the Uthgard 2.0 after a wipe will not have changes made it after launch then you are delusional. Things will still get changed, and based upon the logic that you and others use then after every change there would need to be a server wipe because new players wouldnt get to experience whatever got changed.

i started around 2007 on uthgard.. and wtf .. in 2007 uthgard was a whole "different game"
sure there will be changes. this is a natural progress in online games. this is unavoidable.

but these will be minor ones compared to the major / overlord changes in the past 9 years of beta

I would agree with your statement that the changes would be minor compared to what we have experienced here over the years. However, that is kind of a biased statement since you are comparing changes that occured over a 10 year span versus changes that will happen on a server shortly after a reboot.

None of the changes, in and of themselves, caused this issue. None were game breaking changes. It was the accumulation of these changes that caused the issue. In other words, it wasn't just barrels, /xp off, bg changes, rp after death changes, NF to OF, or any of the other changes by themselves causing this problem. Rather it was the accumulation of all these changes over a long period of time that upset people.

As I stated before. The same will happen with Uthgard 2.0. Things will be changed and over time (1-4 years) the people that come on the server new will not have had what the players who started there on day one had access to. That WILL happen, and when it does they would be as justified as you and others feel now in asking for another reboot.

RonELuvv wrote:As I stated before. The same will happen with Uthgard 2.0. Things will be changed and over time (1-4 years) the people that come on the server new will not have had what the players who started there on day one had access to. That WILL happen, and when it does they would be as justified as you and others feel now in asking for another reboot.

if it will happen or not .. in the end of the day .. blue is the boss .. it's in his hands.

besides that.. in 5 years .. i guess most of us are scratching the 40+ year's mark then ...
bet we need to deal with other things then.

we get old.. and the "young generation" surely don't want to play a 20 year old game then in general

RonELuvv wrote:I would agree with your statement that the changes would be minor compared to what we have experienced here over the years. However, that is kind of a biased statement since you are comparing changes that occured over a 10 year span versus changes that will happen on a server shortly after a reboot.

None of the changes, in and of themselves, caused this issue. None were game breaking changes. It was the accumulation of these changes that caused the issue. In other words, it wasn't just barrels, /xp off, bg changes, rp after death changes, NF to OF, or any of the other changes by themselves causing this problem. Rather it was the accumulation of all these changes over a long period of time that upset people.

As I stated before. The same will happen with Uthgard 2.0. Things will be changed and over time (1-4 years) the people that come on the server new will not have had what the players who started there on day one had access to. That WILL happen, and when it does they would be as justified as you and others feel now in asking for another reboot.

This is why the devs absolutely /must/ get this right the first time. They need to analyze the issues, take a guess at the best way to solve them, and pray they choose correctly. Unless they find the right answer, they will be back to square 1 in a few years. What I can say for certain, is that adding SI and old RAs alone is /not/ the answer.

The GMs can not be trusted since they have stated that they would never do this just look at some of the responses

RonELuvv wrote:

Blue wrote:

monty wrote:mobs hitting twice as fast as yesterday

Which mob? And did you consider that if some mobs hit twice as fast (I doubt that), they also do only half the damage as before? Please stop seeing all as negative. Every change on uthgard as a reason. Most times it is done to make it 1:1 original.

I said it multiple times before. Just let us fix our bugs and exploits. What we cant do is a char wipe to make conditions equal for all. I just remember to the bug spot in hib (siabra raider) where a GM mades faulty illegal changes to the droptables but we cant do a char wipe just because new player find a fixed mob spot.

Blue wrote:

Eclipsed wrote:Also im not even sure if i wont to play here, they did a RP wipe and if they do it again, you know how much fun it is to get RP solo on a ranger.

So we did a RP wipe? Thats new to me and I wonder how the #1 got R9L0. I hope you understand that the news was an april joke
Uthgard does no XP or RP wipe.

The last wipe I ever remember was an accident beginning of 2005 where we had no backups and our server (Laptop at that time) burned out. And it wasnt really a wipe cause we restored the level of all characters and gave them equipment and gold to start. We learned from these times and nothing can harm us again. We have backups of every day back to 2006.

And as a side note. The group RP bonus was implemented cause it exists on live servers since ages. Check the forum for detailed discussion.

Nayru wrote:We will definitely not perform a character wipe. This step might be the death of Uthgard, as players could no longer trust in their character's survival. Why should you level when you know, there might be another reset in a few months?
In addition, the poll result is almost clear. The majority of you does not seem to accept a realmpoint reset.

Question: Would you like to have the old realmabilities even with the current realmpoints? Some classes might be more powerful at lower realmranks compared to the New Frontiers realm ability system. That's why we considered a realmpoint reset.

Nayru wrote:We will never wipe characters or their realmranks. Never. Imagine what players could believe in while leveling their characters. "When will my char be deleted?" - "Why do I play here? It get's wiped anyways!"

No thanks!

Blue wrote:Uthgard will NOT do any relaunch from scratch again after this.

We did not in 9 years we are live. Rarely any MMO survives that long. We have seen Warhammer come and go while we were still here for you.

This says it all. MULTIPLE posts BY THE GM's stating that THIS EXACT THING WOULD NEVER HAPPEN! Now they tell us it wont happen another time. This is EXACTLY why I will not be back if there is a server wipe. You can preach about how it wont happen again all you want, but I have you quoted saying it would never happen the first time. Break that trust and no amount of words or gestures will regain that trust again.

seems like we need to kill the forum .. the forum is too much connected to the old uthgard.

ZerGlinG wrote:seems like we need to kill the forum .. the forum is too much connected to the old uthgard.

I'll fix that for you: Seems like we need to kill the forum because it doesnt agree with what I want.

Much better.

Even Nayru stats in the above post

1. It will never happen!
2. If it did how could players respect and trust them?

We play here expecting to play chars that we build, and not thinking they would ever be deleted because of the promises of the GMs. Both of the top GMS promised twice each, that this would never happen. So we play believing in their words.

We Can trust or GMS since this is the first time RIght? Oh yea Blue said this

Blue wrote:I did not say Tajendi will be removed, that would in no way be possible with all that work attached to that piece of art. Just drops adjusted. Thats propably all.

So if blue you did not remove Tajendi? Where is it at? Oh yea you forgot and removed it anyways, which is ok I didnt want it. But Still I lost a little faith.

How can the players be expected to trust GMS that can not keep their promises? Like our chars may not be there for us next time we log in, because GMS thought it would help with Balance issues, Now what GM addressed balancing issues would never equal char wipe and made us all feel better agian?

Grendle wins this thread, anyone arguing after the fact must be clinically blind.

RazorRamon wrote:Grendle wins this thread, anyone arguing after the fact must be clinically blind.

Funny how my post has not had a single pro wipe player make an argument against it in my thread. As you said, anyone arguing against it is just blind to any sort of truth. A server wipe breaks the trust of every player on this server in the last 10 years, and to use Nayru's words, "would be the death of the server."

RonELuvv wrote:

RazorRamon wrote:Grendle wins this thread, anyone arguing after the fact must be clinically blind.

Funny how my post has not had a single pro wipe player make an argument against it in my thread. As you said, anyone arguing against it is just blind to any sort of truth. A server wipe breaks the trust of every player on this server in the last 10 years, and to use Nayru's words, "would be the death of the server."

We already said this is the risk we are taking.
Yes we are aware of that risk, and yet still think it is what we need to do.
We have been around for 9 years with no wipe, do you really think we are doing this with a light heart and without considering the huge risk we are taking?

We hope players can see this is a one time deal. If not, we will rebuild that trust over the next 10 years hopefully.