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Is three Grab Bags a crowd?

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[R]Bloodwyne Gryphon Knight Posts: 506 Joined: Jun 17, 2013 17:53	by [R]Bloodwyne » Jul 22, 2015 20:13 I don't want to be a dick but I am, so I have to tell you that you and your friends probably wasted a couple hundred hours of your lifetime. Not a big deal though, you are in good company in these forums.

Metallo Myrmidon Posts: 166 Joined: Apr 17, 2009 00:00	by Metallo » Jul 22, 2015 21:21 yes they refuse all help for open this server, Blue it was most important for this server.. and i think Uthgard never open again thanks to GM !

Skarz Gryphon Knight Posts: 417 Joined: Apr 11, 2007 00:00	by Skarz » Jul 22, 2015 21:44 u guys are ridiculous ! just because u are not baby sitted on a daily basis and told everything is gonna be alright u go emo. last i heard uthgard has gone down for revamp and Will be back when its done, and thats that untill told otherwise. just because u are imature does not mean the staff are. im sure if there is any changes in the plans for revamp we will know. http://i.imgur.com/2mhdzsu.jpg RR5 Ownage!

hebi Warder Posts: 9 Joined: Mar 02, 2012 20:11	by hebi » Jul 22, 2015 22:00 but what it costs to say, we open XX/XX more or less??? so users calms???

Galandriel2 Phoenix Knight Posts: 1662 Joined: Nov 26, 2010 18:08	by Galandriel2 » Jul 22, 2015 22:04 Skarz wrote:just because u are imature does not mean [12:46] <Roundhouse_> actualy galandriel and blackbeard the master challenges out on heavytanks [23:52] <Skarz> u are best skald i seen for long time

Skarz Gryphon Knight Posts: 417 Joined: Apr 11, 2007 00:00	by Skarz » Jul 22, 2015 22:19 love how u think u made a relevant quote http://i.imgur.com/2mhdzsu.jpg RR5 Ownage!

Galandriel2 Phoenix Knight Posts: 1662 Joined: Nov 26, 2010 18:08	by Galandriel2 » Jul 22, 2015 23:00 love how you think you made relevant posts [12:46] <Roundhouse_> actualy galandriel and blackbeard the master challenges out on heavytanks [23:52] <Skarz> u are best skald i seen for long time

kildich Warder Posts: 30 Joined: Apr 13, 2013 02:21	by kildich » Jul 22, 2015 23:14 Skarz wrote:u guys are ridiculous ! just because u are not baby sitted on a daily basis and told everything is gonna be alright u go emo. last i heard uthgard has gone down for revamp and Will be back when its done, and thats that untill told otherwise. just because u are imature does not mean the staff are. im sure if there is any changes in the plans for revamp we will know. I could not agree more, very well said. First of all why would they keep the servers going if they weren't going to bring the server back? That alone is costing someone money and if the server is dead as many of the children on here think, then the devs or who ever is paying the cost of the website would be stupid to continue paying for it. I find it amazing just how immature many people on the forums are. I think many of them just like to act spoiled or bratty and think it is their right to fill these forums with whinning and crying with nothing constructive to say.

Lasastard Phoenix Knight Posts: 1180 Joined: May 28, 2009 00:00	by Lasastard » Jul 23, 2015 08:49 I doubt that you have insights into how much money Uthgard had/has in its koffers. As far as I am aware, Uthgard has been taking donations for years and I wouldn't be surprised if this is how the server is being paid for still - well, partly perhaps. And 50€/month is also not a lot of money for a grown up to invest in a hobby (possibly divided by how many people are still attached to the project and are willing to keep it going until admitting defeat). The other thing is blaming people for "whining" and "the staff not owing us anything". Well, true - if you think that the community is irrelevant to the server. Otherwise, the communications blackout is a disregard of the loyality that so many people have shown the server over the years. And honestly, if you want to play the "but but but they are busy fixing the server and have no time to post updates" card, then don't. Just don't. That just means that they show yet again that the hundreds of people that made this server such a great experience are not worth 20mins of their time. This has always been a fundamental problem of Uthgard - and now with the server gone they don't even have anything to make up for their lack of communication skills. And it is frustrating to many. That being said, and as mentioned earlier, the time to let it go was sometime last year. Now it's just necrophilia ^^

kildich Warder Posts: 30 Joined: Apr 13, 2013 02:21	by kildich » Jul 23, 2015 09:31 I doubt you do either, I also doubt you know how much time and money of THEIR OWN they have put into this server over the years only to have forum pages full of ungrateful players. You remind me of a 5 yr old who's parents took away his favorite toy because he was being a brat and won't give it back except that they are trying to make the server better in spite of people like you being brats.

Galandriel2 Phoenix Knight Posts: 1662 Joined: Nov 26, 2010 18:08	by Galandriel2 » Jul 23, 2015 09:40 obviously some unemployed people dont understand the part with "50€ is not much for a hobby" part [12:46] <Roundhouse_> actualy galandriel and blackbeard the master challenges out on heavytanks [23:52] <Skarz> u are best skald i seen for long time

Lasastard Phoenix Knight Posts: 1180 Joined: May 28, 2009 00:00	by Lasastard » Jul 23, 2015 10:59 kildich wrote:I doubt you do either, I also doubt you know how much time and money of THEIR OWN they have put into this server over the years only to have forum pages full of ungrateful players. You remind me of a 5 yr old who's parents took away his favorite toy because he was being a brat and won't give it back except that they are trying to make the server better in spite of people like you being brats. How does your post address my comment? I did not in any way claim to have insight into how much money they have, I merely pointed out that your argument was based on an assumption (i.e. they invest a lot of their money into keeping the server going, so that must mean they will finish it) - an assumption, which you can a) not substantiate and b) is based on another assumption (i.e. that the money they possibly spend in some way constitutes a significant investment to them). I also fail to see exactly where I am being ungrateful or a brat by pointing out that communication between staff and players has always been something between poor and non-existant. You should really re-calibrate your sensibilities if you think that me pointing out this stuff - in a fairly rational, non-emotional way I might add - in any way constitutes "being a brat". Being a brat would be plastering these forums with "me want uthgard now!!" - which I don't. In fact, I have given up on waiting for this server quite a while ago. I do however still care about the community and would be happy to see the server return one day. However, I can and will take issue with the way that the staff is communicating (or rather not communicating). After people having invested a combined tens of thousands of hours into this server and community, I think they/we deserve a little better.

Aezio Banned Posts: 112 Joined: Jan 13, 2013 16:38	by Aezio » Jul 23, 2015 12:24 It ´s quite amazing to see how many former daoc players want to help/aid this server or try to start over with some new daoc project on their own. There was another guy here,- I think it was lovemebaby who was once interested to form something new with money, Razzer also offered some help and some other guys too. I would like to see if you contact staff directly and ask them if you can help to get this server done... I know, Blue once said he doesn ´t want new staff members, but my vision is they would be open minded for some good help by this great community. It happened like it did last year, we broke into the summer whole and the whole progress has stopped again. How I know that fact? Trishin said he will publish a new grab back soon but he needs some confirmations by other staff members first. Now days gone by and staff went silent again, so there is probably a summer break. This is not a blame, I totally understand the motivation to work on a free project is low at summer time and there are better things to do then coding. But this whole progress is taking way too much time, I would like to see some reinforcement at staff,- it may take some time to get the work running with new members but at least it may save pretty much time for sure. If you don ´t kow where to let them work- let them make Shrouded isles world build for example, if things go bad there it ´s not such a big pitty, cause it ´s just optional pve content. At least I would like to know, why the beta hasn´t started yet, a beta is for testing things and so on, it must not be a perfect preview setup of the end- published server now, but ppl would have something to do instead checking this forum for news again and again to remain frustrated and hopeless. /agree 101%, couldnt say it better!

Skarz Gryphon Knight Posts: 417 Joined: Apr 11, 2007 00:00	by Skarz » Jul 23, 2015 12:32 opening beta now would be great yes, but that will not speed up the process of relaunch. it will only make the work load more unbareable since it all has to go through the same person whos not going to magicaly have more spare time to do ur bidding coz u said so. edit : its been said time and time again if u want to help then help, do indepth tests and research urself and send to the staff and IF u done it right u would have made a difference. http://i.imgur.com/2mhdzsu.jpg RR5 Ownage!

Jerrian Phoenix Knight Posts: 1431 Joined: Jan 21, 2010 01:00	by Jerrian » Jul 23, 2015 12:56 Skarz wrote:opening beta now would be great yes, but that will not speed up the process of relaunch. it will only make the work load more unbareable since it all has to go through the same person whos not going to magicaly have more spare time to do ur bidding coz u said so. edit : its been said time and time again if u want to help then help, do indepth tests and research urself and send to the staff and IF u done it right u would have made a difference. Tests would be much easier if a beta would be running to see what ´s still broken or need a check/ enhancement. Of course it could speed up the whole progress of relaunch,- if you ´ve more eyes on a project you ´ve more feedback, with more feedback you get more research and more sources etc.... I think you got my point now at least. It would be wasteful to test some things at live servers on doubt to realize later, it got already be fixed on Uthgard, so there would a need of some direct questions by staff what things are needed to help them, like it had been before with researching the formulas for blocking and evade etc. but they remain silent at the moment, so there ´s probably no need for special research at the moment I guess. There ´s no use to let dem server down at the moment, Uthgard 1 was quite playfully even more if you compare it to any other damn freeshard online at the moment. Let the ppl test and enjoy what ´s already be done. It ´s just more useful instead these boredom, repeating posts and same discussions here over and over again and it will keep the community interested and their attention at this server,- that would be a smart move and it ´s win win. If anyone has a good argument why not open the beta yet (except some inner schedule time-progress management made by staff itself, what ´s not a good reason in the current situation in my opinion) , I ´m very interested to hear it.