Brandon, your first post was good, but hold on yo!

Fact: Blue and Co. owe we the players nothing.

Fact: When there is no news, people lose hope they leave and never return.

Hope: The signs of life for an Uth 2.0 relaunch continue, players get excited, devs work as they can, and someday soon we can play again!

It really is a simple equation. Berating others, bemoaning the reality of the situation, etc etc....nothing gets better with this. All we can do is be patient, help if we can, make friendly chat in the meantime, and then not repeat all the ****** that went down to lead to Uth 1.0's demise (players and GMs both).

As always....M2C's....And good to see so many peeps still interested.

Alpha

Quik wrote:Idaily updates

Show me where anyone asked for daily updates. More straw man fallacies. You should google it so when you respond again you don't do it again, to stop your posts from consecutively obtaining them.

I don't know what else I have to say that this has nothing to do at all with development. That is all you continue to talk about though, while at the same time denying white knighting. That's the 2nd term you should google tonight so you can stop your posts from consecutively obtaining them as well.

Lastly, the ad hominem at the end just nicely finishes off your post with another textbook logical fallacy. I thought it was an act/trolling, but now you have my pity.

Daetren wrote:

Paladinpumph wrote:Uthgard Community: Receives constructive criticism about observations of bad attitude toward players interested in this small community. Simultaneously responds by denying it and having a bad attitude towards players interested in this small community. Tosses in dev circle-jerk non sequitur for no reason other than that its been a few hours and posts since last dev circle-jerk.

There's a meme for everything, thank you Internets!

Meme responses. Reaching for the top shelf here aren't we.

Quik wrote:And I don't have an issue with the uthgard community at all. I like a lot of them and agree with a lot of them. I don't like those that feel entitled to something like so many other kiddies nowadays =)

If you don't pay for it...

And someone doesn't freely give it to you...

And you didn't inherit it...

And you didn't work for it...

your a spoiled brat who feels your entitled to it. *shrug*

This is another terrific example, keep them coming. Just remember to refer to this type of thread in a few months wondering where everybody is.

At no point did I demand anything or feel entitled. I'm the only one doing a service here trying to explain what people like myself would like, and you few that even remain to post here chase us all away. I took something for granted, and apparently that is that between people like you and I, only one of our attitudes create an environment welcoming, and the other just wants to have a bit more notoriety or some bizarre reason/excuse as to NOT HAVE COMMON COURTESY when asked to have common courtesy.

I simply do not understand the ignorance required to not see that people would like to drop by and check ONE page/website area to see if there is an update. That's it. I even suggested a fix to solve everything. My point is only made better by nobody seeing how that idea resolves the issue, and people just want to be rude to other people instead. Shameful, and definitely selfish. The entitlement here is on the side of those unwilling to be nice to other people and promote a healthy and fun environment for everybody.

"Nope! I enjoy the berating of others. Makes me look good to the other members here (4 online now. this is definitely working!)"

Caemma wrote:You guys are overreacting too much Imho.

I shouldnt have to tell you that when you make a service (because that is), especially an entertainment one, if you want to make it great you will also have to make it "comfortable" for your "customers" (in this case the player base).
And i think that if they made this shard great and with the longest "live" (since 2009) is because they want to do something great (hopefully) again.

I suppose that if a service (-or the sorrounding environment-) would treat me like a scum, even if is free, i wouldnt use it, especially if the aim of that service is entertain me.
So things like "if you dont like stfu" or "just dont play" etc. etc. ruin the community income, degradating it during time.. and we will all pay the consequences (players & staff)
Also I'm sure there are thousands ways to tell the same thing with different hate level

Also as a common player, if i'll have to put into this shard a large part of my hours of entarteinment (=life hours!) i would do it if is a nice place, even if is a free. Because i dont think you would do it if one day GM's will delete your toon saying "Well man, it's free, it's our shard so get the ****** out!" -- right?
Luckly, Uthgard has always been one of the most serious project, so hopefully wont be the case!

Just chill and before comment identify yourself in any kind of people here (newcomer, oldplayer, forumtroll, staff member,etc) and think of what would you have done in this position and why.
You would probably understand some attitudes here!

Ps.
Here is the kitty!

Thank you for your calm and collected post. Even if I didn't agree with it, you know how to make points and back it up with some reason and common courtesy. I could have this discussion in this "tone" in reality discussing even some hot-button issues. But some of the people commenting above clearly only would do so behind the safety of anonymity, and would never be like this in public. My point to the entire community and the administrators/moderators is that these people are in your lobby turning away people. Not the mod staff at the door or inside, not the product even, but other customers/consumers bothering several potential friends of yours enough to turn away and not come back. So these vocal few have this terrible behavior, and at what cost? At what cost?

Alphaone wrote:Brandon, your first post was good, but hold on yo!

Fact: Blue and Co. owe we the players nothing.

Fact: When there is no news, people lose hope they leave and never return.

Hope: The signs of life for an Uth 2.0 relaunch continue, players get excited, devs work as they can, and someday soon we can play again!

It really is a simple equation. Berating others, bemoaning the reality of the situation, etc etc....nothing gets better with this. All we can do is be patient, help if we can, make friendly chat in the meantime, and then not repeat all the ****** that went down to lead to Uth 1.0's demise (players and GMs both).

As always....M2C's....And good to see so many peeps still interested.

Alpha

Hi, I'm calm. I point out things that people don't like to hear even though its clearly objective and any reasonable person can look at some of the responses and come to the same conclusion, please don't get butthurt. Second, back to the developers. Holy ******. Am i typing in Japanese? Please refer to more than half of my posts above clearly stating this has little to do with developers and everything to do with the current behavior of several posters here. If you keep bringing up entitlements, ownership, developers, you're like people bringing up hunting when criticizing the 2nd amendment, you've missed the entire point.

Otherwise, thank you for your response to my thoughts, and you did make some points I agree with 100%.

I visit this place often and log in, and usually see 4-10 members online and 400-800 guests at least. That should tell you a lot of people are here and not posting, but looking for information. The biggest question they all want to know the answer to appears to make people very angry. My original post is about that reaction, and a suggestion (because without a suggestion I believe it is whining) on to fix it on both ends.

This has yet to be anyone's concern. The focus is all on name calling, ugly mean-spiritedness towards myself for "whistleblowing"/pointing out something ugly about this place, and dev fellacio. It is simply bizarre the chip several members have on their shoulder bending all reason and common courtesy, if they get a hint (my barely mention of dev action for a button/sidebar addition was hint enough, without blame even) to get the very problem observed to rear its ugly head. Who wants to hang out at a place like that? How do you NOT reason that making 1 easy place with 1 post to go for latest update. That's it.

Apparently I took for granted I wanted this place to flourish like everyone else. It is clearly not a unanimous goal.

For anyone looking for information, all they have to look at is our frontpage.

When we have something new to tell it will be available in a news post.

i guess thats exactly what people wanted to hear

scnr

i've got balls of steel

Brandon, brilliant post and dead on accurate.

BTW, the best way to allow something that is broken to fail is to just step aside and wait.

I made a post 9 months ago telling the uthgard staff the server was going to tank and why. Then a few months later I made a post where I said I told you so.

Now I made another post telling them if they don't learn from history they will repeat it.

Straw man and ad hominem attacks will not change any facts or any history. Sycophant brown nosing and group think isn't going to change facts or history either.

And for the last time , people, stop telling me that spending 3 years of my time on a server has no value to me. The players invest their time, and in a busy adult world with kids, jobs, and everything else-- saying our time is worth nothing is a ridiculous insult.

The entire post Brandon made was 100% dead on accurate and his suggestion was perfectly sensible. Perhaps he has a job that requires customer service and he understands the word interdependence.

Trishin wrote:For anyone looking for information, all they have to look at is our frontpage.

When we have something new to tell it will be available in a news post.

First, thanks for your hard work and props to the technical skill of the dev team!

I understand you guys are working hard but what are you working on? If someone is rowing a canoe hard that is all well and good but if they are rowing the wrong direction all the hard work and technical rowing proficiency is still possibly sending them over the proverbial falls.

How about an FAQ about what will be in Uthgard 2.0 or some sort of vision statement for what will be different? As of now we have 6 months of mostly silence.

Trishin wrote:For anyone looking for information, all they have to look at is our frontpage.

When we have something new to tell it will be available in a news post.

Hm,
no real content here that helps in any way, but thx for your replies Trishin. In fact it shows that staff is still watching the forums and working at the Uthgard project and it ain ´t that dead as many ppl suppose it to be.

This is too funny, Paladinpump or whatever the hell your name is... your doing a service? You speak for others? Ok I will accept that you speak for the impatient 5 yr olds that would rather annoy the devs to the point of not working on the server and ruining it for everyone not just yourselves than just shut up, check back and WAIT FOR AN UPDATE. OMFG IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO WAIT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT LEAVE! No one forces you to be here and honestly I wouldn't group with your whiny, entitled little brat attitude.

I will say again as Quik has so correctly stated THESE PEOPLE OWE YOU NOTHING, YOU AREN'T PAYING THEM, PERIOD. You know why I get ****** at people like you? Its not because I love the devs and want to kiss their collective asses, its because I HATE entitled little brats with their daddy's money that probably have not worked a day in their lives and have everything given to them. That is the only think I can think of that explains the attitudes of many of the people here. We don't here from the responsible, patient people but I am not that responsible and will get on here to rip people a new one (verbally) who continue to jeopardize the server's return. I would rather have 500 patient, mature people playing than 2000 whiny little brats who think they are owed something and won't shut up about it.