Even if Uth decided to implement 9charge/10min endu pots (which would be a smart thing to do) alb would still be at a disadvantage because the endu class isn't viable in 8v8. So, while hibs and mids may occasionally pop an endu pot if something goes wrong with the bard or shaman, it's not what they're usually using. 2 extra endu / tick is a big deal, especially as a tank.

Ohai wrote:

Trishin wrote:

isocleas2 wrote:My guild on Genesis would like to roll Alb on Uthgard but we've seen firsthand how the endu situation will play out. Outphazed imo is spot on with most of what he's said will happen, 2m/1charge endu pots or running a no det Paladin is a sophie's choice no one will want to face.

Hib or mid?

It's not 2m/1m charge. It's 2 minute duration with 5 second recharge. I am not sure why this 2m duration/1m reuse is coming from, but it surely wasn't patch 1.65 knowledge.

Fights last longer than 2 minutes unless its against a trash pug. Can you imagine having to stop combat to pop a pot because your end is going to zero?
You cant do that right now, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit F6 stop hitting him, pop a pot, hes healed up.

Just give longer duration end pots, wont be any can of worms opened with that as all 3 realms get it and it isnt changing any classes.

Wow, just wow.

Look, I get it, I really do - this entire debate has happened for the past 1-2 years on Genesis. Everyone's excited to try Uthgard 2.0 and the old RAs, which we haven't seen in a decade. Lots of you have vivid memories of how things were back in the day, how paladins used to kick ass, etc... Many of you probably think that everything I'm saying about paladins is just a huge exaggeration and I'm being overdramatic, and that paladins really won't be as bad as I say they will.

I get it, and it's fair to be skeptical. But I can 100% guarantee you that paladins will be worthless in any RVR group that wants to be competitive. Unfortunately they're the endu class, which means if they can't get a spot in an 8v8 group then the entire realm is at a disadvantage because endu5 is an important part of RVR. This means less people playing alb, which will affect everyone - not only the elitish min/maxers - the entire realm will suffer because alb will be 15-20% of the population. You won't have relics or keep bonuses - just keep that in mind. It's no fun to be the underdog realm all...the...time...

It's crucial that this server gets these things right before the server starts so people don't get frustrated and give up on the server. Making 1 of the 3 realms worthless in 8v8 is a great way to lose a significant portion of the population.

Outphaze wrote:

Kaziera wrote:well it anyways only concerns the cookie cutter setup gang. Evrybody else will just take a Paladin on the Peels slot and live die with it.

FTFY.

wow. dude u have issues.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD4h9TwfsWQ

after minute 11:50ish. if thats not sufficient to be competitive, i dont know.

Outphaze wrote:Look, I get it, I really do - this entire debate has happened for the past 1-2 years on Genesis. Everyone's excited to try Uthgard 2.0 and the old RAs, which we haven't seen in a decade. Lots of you have vivid memories of how things were back in the day, how paladins used to kick ass, etc... Many of you probably think that everything I'm saying about paladins is just a huge exaggeration and I'm being overdramatic, and that paladins really won't be as bad as I say they will.

I get it, and it's fair to be skeptical. But I can 100% guarantee you that paladins will be worthless in any RVR group that wants to be competitive. Unfortunately they're the endu class, which means if they can't get a spot in an 8v8 group then the entire realm is at a disadvantage because endu5 is an important part of RVR. This means less people playing alb, which will effect everyone - not only the elitish min/maxers - the entire realm will suffer because alb will be 15-20% of the population. You won't have relics or keep bonuses - just keep that in mind. It's no fun to be the underdog realm all...the...time...

It's crucial that this server gets these things right before the server starts so people don't get frustrated and give up on the server. Making 1 of the 3 realms worthless in 8v8 is a great way to lose a significant portion of the population.

dude shut up, pallies have teh coolest looking epic in the game.

Kaziera wrote:
wow. dude u have issues.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD4h9TwfsWQ

after minute 11:50ish. if thats not sufficient to be competitive, i dont know.

Paladins had Determination on Uthgard 1.0.

If you give hybrids Determination as a custom thing then you have everyone playing Albion/Reaver like on Genesis.

Outphaze wrote:Look, I get it, I really do - this entire debate has happened for the past 1-2 years on Genesis. Everyone's excited to try Uthgard 2.0 and the old RAs, which we haven't seen in a decade. Lots of you have vivid memories of how things were back in the day, how paladins used to kick ass, etc... Many of you probably think that everything I'm saying about paladins is just a huge exaggeration and I'm being overdramatic, and that paladins really won't be as bad as I say they will.

I get it, and it's fair to be skeptical. But I can 100% guarantee you that paladins will be worthless in any RVR group that wants to be competitive. Unfortunately they're the endu class, which means if they can't get a spot in an 8v8 group then the entire realm is at a disadvantage because endu5 is an important part of RVR. This means less people playing alb, which will effect everyone - not only the elitish min/maxers - the entire realm will suffer because alb will be 15-20% of the population. You won't have relics or keep bonuses - just keep that in mind. It's no fun to be the underdog realm all...the...time...

It's crucial that this server gets these things right before the server starts so people don't get frustrated and give up on the server. Making 1 of the 3 realms worthless in 8v8 is a great way to lose a significant portion of the population.

indeed good sir. indeed.

Austerim wrote:If you give hybrids Determination as a custom thing then you have everyone playing Albion/Reaver like on Genesis.

Just because we give pallys det doesn't mean every other hybrid should get it. The only class that really needs det is paladins.

Again, I doubt anyone here seriously thinks giving paladins det would make alb overpowered. Anyone? Even those playing hib or mid should be in favor of this so that they'll have more groups to fight once the server goes live. Who likes roaming an empty emain and fighting the same groups over and over again? No one.

The fact remains that paladins won't get det on this server. You will need to adjust your play style in alb to either run one or find a way to cope with not running one. Debating on whether or not they should or shouldn't get it is beside the point. They didn't have it on 1.65, and albs lived with it back in the day with a few notable groups i can think of that did just fine.

Outphaze wrote:

Austerim wrote:If you give hybrids Determination as a custom thing then you have everyone playing Albion/Reaver like on Genesis.

Just because we give pallys det doesn't mean every other hybrid should get it. The only class that really needs det is paladins.

Again, I doubt anyone here seriously thinks giving paladins det would make alb overpowered. Anyone? Even those playing hib or mid should be in favor of this so that they'll have more groups to fight once the server goes live. Who likes roaming an empty emain and fighting the same groups over and over again? No one.

Giving paladins determination would make Albion overpowered.

This is a pointless argument and after reading all 30 pages I am not nearly discouraged to play a paladin. I am still planning to roll one if I go alb and enjoy it in pvp and pve. I had amazing time playing paladin back in 2001-2004, run regularly with best 8 man groups on my server and was always welcomed. We won most of the time, we lost sometimes like any other group and had tons of fun. Guys, play whatever class you feel is best for you and have FUN!

It's not gonna happen so no point discussing it :p

I don't remember this version of the game back in the day, how were nightshades on this patch?

JacksonTown wrote:I don't remember this version of the game back in the day, how were nightshades on this patch?

aaaaand now for something completely different: Nightshades! well... mostly shady I guess

cheers