svperstar wrote:If GMs read one post from here it should be the full post from otinanai, snipping a section here:

otinanai wrote:1) Even at very high server pops (1k+ people) Emain used to be empty or almost empty. Why did that happen? Why didn't that happen to any other server I played?

There are multiple reasons:
a) Low RR players preferred farming keep tasks/guard tasks (PvE) for rps instead of PvPing. Why? Because they tried PvP, they 8v8ed against the high RR groups and naturally got their asses handed to them. But why don't they zerg them down? Because zerging is seen as lame/noobish by the community and the devs gave them the option to gain RPS by PvEing (guard tasks / undefended keep takes). So they prefer to hide from real PvP by farming guard tasks until they are high enough RR to take on the RR10+ groups. This could take months of course and very few survive the boring grind.

2) The food chain

RvRing in emain when there is 3-4 groups out isn't fun. It is easy for the weak groups to punish the good groups by logging off. Good DAoC RvR should have 200+ people in emain: Zergs, 8v8, small groups, stealthzergs, solos, solo stealthers etc.

It is the food chain: Zergs eat 8mans (if they can catch them, zergs are usually slow), 8mans eat small groups, small groups/stealthzergs eat soloers/solo stealthers. Every one of those groups is important. If one goes away the chain breaks and RvR dies.

Uthgard's food chain was broken. There were almost no zergs, because it was frowned upon and also because low RR players had other options to get rps (guard tasks = PvE = get rps without the shame). Also there were almost no soloers/solo stealthers because of the removal of buffbots. So you had very limited options: 8v8, small group or stealthzerg. But without soloers the small groups went away. Without small groups the weak 8mans went away etc. You can't have a healthy, sustained PvP population with so few options.

Everyone goes on and on and on and on about "How do we get more players into RvR?"

The problem here is a core "elitism" culture. In certain circles on this server otinanai because you don't have rr9+ toons in your sig from the right "elite" guild on the server your post is irrelevant, your opinion is irrelevant, and you aren't even worth speaking too.

The whole culture of RvR revolves around the same 4-5 guilds who mix players and all know each other. Nobody else goes out during those hours because it is all 8v8 only against these same groups of people. The same people who have said "just zerg" will the first to call you a noob for doing so.

RvR has to become more varied for it to be any fun for more then the "elite" circle.

How about, you allow the elite guilds to have their own zone the, and the pugs who cannot field an 8 man of the same people in TS day after day can then go to emain. Two different frontiers for two different classes of players. All of the elite guilds can have their area and everyone else can go and have fun.

Nobody is interested in going to emain to get farmed and even if you wipe the server nothing will change if the culture doesn't change.

I hate raiding keeps - if i get farm by high rr grps or those 8vs8er i go pvm - so there was no pvm lately because gms removed all that is fun, i stoped playing...

I think that closing uth, wipe, etc will just be the last mistake.

It's not an old ra matter, it's not a SI matter. The question is: Uthgard is not fun!

Uthgard has a huge advantage on Origins. You want ppl back? Make things easier!

Problem: low rr can't handle the gap? Rps bonus for low rr newcomers.

Problem: xp is to hard?! Make xp easier! Xp zerg bonus, xp grp bonus (imo Origins zerg way to xp was the best).

What you need it's not a wipe. You need old ppl to come back, and a reason for newcomers to stay
and spread the word that Uth is waaaaaaay funnier than others servers.

You need a short term solution that will make ppl try your server, like it and stay!

With all the problem Origins is having at the moment, you should do it now,
leave apart perfection path for a while, and focus on fun!

Tipical scenario of a new player:

[Day 1]
[Origins freezes, ans stays down for hours:] "Let me try Uthgard".
"Omg! I already hitted lvl 5. Omg, i'm lvl 10... No freeze, no lag... Hmm... "
few time-> "Ok, Origins is back, logout".

[few hours later:] Origins is down again -> back to Uth
"/lfg class lvl10 lf xp grp" -> [few time] -> "Omg i hitted 20!?"
[Origin's back up:] "should i stay or should i go?! Hmm... Ok i log." -> back to Origins

[Day 2]
[Origins freezes -> reboot:] Log on Uth
"/lfg class lvl20 lf xp grp" -> no grp -> solo xp -> [few time] -> hit lvl 22 -> "Not bad... but no ppl to grp, damn!"
[Origin's back up:] log out -> [play 1h (top)] -> freeze -> "Oh not this ****** again! Guys! You should
try Uth!! No lag, no freez, i go there" -> back to Uth
"/lfg class lvl22 lf xp grp" -> no grp -> [few time] -> hit lvl 25
"/lfg class lvl25 lf xp grp" -> grped -> [few time] -> fill grp -> hit lvl 32 -> "Omg! xp bonus with fg! Like origins, but no lag!"
-> [few time] -> lvl 40 -> [Origin's back up:] "screw it! I'm gonna hit 50!"

I hoped I've explained myself. And I hope Uthgard staff reconsider their decision.
If not, tnx for the fun, the time, and good luck!

FINALLY. Staff listens players. Great news.

Seems like i never said it here because you guys removed all the things why I play on a MMORPG : Fast action (Hasteners in realm, Hasteners in BG etc etc)

I like a fresh start. It's interesting! I said that, and i have about like 15 characters level 50 full templated on all realm.

Good luck, and don't repeat your past mistakes and I will be there.

Trishin wrote:

- Will Uthgard be a testserver to help the staff finding bugs and so on?

Yes

- Will this forum remain opened?

Yes

- Will you share progress steps and make polls for some decissions by players ? (for example Barrels, hasteners and so on, xp while dead and so on?)

We will keep a close eye on the forums and from the feedback we get when testing. However we wont make any promises as we honestly don't know yet.

- What is the final goal of new Uthgard, will you try to let some custom content in, like houses and so on ? (see question above)

To be as complete as possible, I think most of you know what this includes of features by now. Unfortunately many decisions has not been made yet, so it is not easy to answer these questions as we don't want to say we do something and end up not doing it.

Seems 360 imo!. good luck and to late sorry uthgard no help from me in the future with capital!

Kiruto wrote:FINALLY. Staff listens players. Great news.

Seems like i never said it here because you guys removed all the things why I play on a MMORPG : Fast action (Hasteners in realm, Hasteners in BG etc etc)

I like a fresh start. It's interesting! I said that, and i have about like 15 characters level 50 full templated on all realm.

Good luck, and don't repeat your past mistakes and I will be there.

They listen players? :lol::lol::lol:

THE END IS NEAR !!!!



got time for that...!

Hello,

just wanted to say thank you Uthgard, thank you dear Uthgard Staff for the many years you gave me the possibility to play on a server with spirit and history. For me personally, it is no option to come back (or to play on any other server), because what bound me to Daoc and to Uthgard was this spirit und this history... and some very special moments i shared with a beloved but long gone person here on Uthgard and in my life generally.

With this total wipe, this spirit, this history and all ingame connections to this special person (like the house decorated by here, the chars i leveld with her, the guild i started with here) will be gone for me. I accept that for sure... but i am sad, very sad. But that is the way of life. The older you get, the more you want to maintain beloved things... like an anachronistic an unperfect Uthgard full of spirit, history and memories.

I will log in last time... monday night, maybe an hour or so before the old Uthgard will go... and stay in until i am logged out by shutdown... just sucking in everything i can get from the feeling, to be with it until it passes away... and maybe bestow a little bit honour to him.

Sorry, i know this all has only a meaning to me, not to all of those, who read this. But it was my need to write it down. Sorry again.

Danke Andrea für die Zeit die wir hier hatten.

Bye all
Excalibur93

Beholder72 wrote:Hi Uthgard Staff,

First of all, I want to thank you for the last 8 yeas I played DAOC on Uthgard. I had much fun and good times. All I want to ask you is to consider, that you surely don't want just Harz 4 players or kids here, spending 8 - 16 hours a day playing DAOC but also people like me, who have to work 8-10 hours a day and just have a few hours a week to play. I meet many players that are 30+ years old and don't have too much time to invest to grow many toons, crafters etc. again. I have no toon higher than RR 5.5 so I'm not one of the wealthy high rr players.

In the time when you close the server, people will move to Origins. They already offer what you want to offer when you relaunch your server. So what will be your unique selling point? Think about this. Why should people come back, when they started to level their chars and crafters on Origins server? I see no reason for that. And new players will join the server with the highest population if everything else is the same.

So I see a big risk that this server wipe is the end of Uthgard. I wish you all the best, thanks for the great fun in the last years, the support and your great effort. And thanks to all players and guild mates who made this game fun and a great experience.

Best regards,

Beholder 72

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Crystalin wrote:

vangonaj wrote:PS: You still in your nerf mode, and this is the big nerf since uthgard exists.

+1
this is a biggest nerf and a suicide also.
From my hopinion coming back in the future but with a reset would mean getting back a lot of population but it would last just for a short period. I played on many other shards in other games and I already saw this move when a server got a low population.. The conclusion of this move? 0 player in short time. Consider that many players now are older than when they start 9 years ago. they got a work, a family, no time for exping chars again.

EXACTLY! Stop being prideful and listen to people like Crystalin who have some SENSE! A wipe WILL kill Uthgard. WE DON'T NEED TWO ORIGINS SERVERS

So strange.

I just quit after the annoucement of BG changing and now ........ restart

Its an excellent news, i was a casual player that was bored to go on frontier. Now i will come back on uthgard after reset !

this is a MISTAKE! You guys are just FREAKING out because of a few days of low population.. BUT WHEN YOU HAD FROZEN GROUNDS, THE POPULATION WAS FINE!!!

C'mon now... WAKE UP!!

attention whores

pls no 1acc/IP/1realm... thats ****** bullshit !

bodoterror6 wrote:pls no 1acc/IP/1realm... thats ****** bullshit !

5000 origins accounts voted for it so far

yea man but uthgard players like to x-realm ! xD