daoc is NOT easymode. If you want easymode go play a different game/server (eden? duh!). glop is very wise you should listen to what he/she is saying.

Hibernianman1 wrote:daoc is NOT easymode. If you want easymode go play a different game/server (eden? duh!). glop is very wise you should listen to what he/she is saying.

Everyone has an opinion. Most of the vocal ones on these forums are the long-term high RR players on Uthgard that are established and for whom removal of the higher BG's would not be a big deal. I'm glad you guys are happy. Funny though, I hear griping in /broad about low population in Frontier RVR at times, but you uber leet guys seem to want to casually dismiss the impact that removal of the BG's will have on the number of people in RVR.

I am fine with battle wounds, effort, "putting in the time," and all the other euphemisms and cliche's you want to throw out there to mean the same thing. School of hard knocks, I got it. I have lived it in real life since I was 12, I'm not unwilling to put in work for what I want out of things, gaming including.

But what you should realize (but probably won't) is that this is not life, it's not a job, it's a game. And I can tell you that a large number of people I have talked to and "hear" talking in game do not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation. The removal of the BG's will be a mistake, as it will be a detriment to server population by way of demotivation of newer players. Perhaps that will turn out to be incorrect, I sincerely hope so... but I sincerely doubt it. People will just finally decide that there isn't enough reward and fun to make the drudgery and grind worth it in the end, and just move on.

You can all put your heads in the sand and continue with your "deal with it, like it or leave it, stf-u and QQmore" attitude that I see from the same set of people in /broad when this comes up in discussion, as I expect some of you probably will, but I feel compelled to at least attempt to share the perspective of at least some of the less-established players on Uthgard - I am not the only one who feels this way, I can promise you that.

If you must remove the highest Battleground, then at the very least leave a BG option until 44 or 46. Removal of all BG access past 35 is a mistake.

i think what many long time player feeled was lacking consistency. removing or customizing stuff without a clear guildine. i would be totaly fine if they kept battleground but then theres no argument for removing stuff like barrels or tajendi or rp while dead. i came to the point : lets do it 1.69 but do it as close as even possible or give / change other stuff aswell that is not 1.69 like and addmit a custom server. they wont do that, then i want at least consistency and battlegrounds is another thing not consistent with 1,69 goal so it has to go as much as it hurts some players. thats why rr 10l10 should be new cap aswell no special pleading for stuff anymore ^^

svperstar wrote:

Force wrote:Whats your source for that? I recall original see hidden as being rather ridiculous, and the post nerf see hidden as being something like 800 units when I tested it. That would be like mos6+ or something.

You are correct. The original See Hidden was pretty ridiculous. Again this is memory and I have no proof but people posted screenshots on the vnboards of See Hidden when it was released and it was almost clipping range. People went ballistic. Archers quit en mass. Eventually it was nerfed but that was after my time.

Zack is hoping that is what See Hidden is like and he is very wrong.

Also to all the QQing archers at least you get camo. New RAs assassins get nothing to counter MOS no matter how many points they are willing to spend.

Your right Svp, I have no clue what I'm talking about with See Hidden....


Dark Age of Camelot

Version 1.62 Release Notes

- We have modified how the See Hidden ability interacts with Archer classes. We've varied the range that an assassin can see a non camouflaged hidden archer anywhere from 1/4 to 3/4 of the current range depending on the archer's stealth spec vs the assassin's level. On average this means that an assassin will have to be within about 1/2 the range that he can see the archer from compared to how the system works currently on the live servers.

Now, what else do I not know about? As I have pointed out before, you have NO clue what the hell you are talking about. Every time you spout something on here you have it wrong.

svperstar wrote:

Panzer wrote:What it means for me (as a Hunter) with very little time at my disposal, that soloing is gone. Period. I know most of you dont give a crap about that, but for me and many others who enjoy Hunters and dont have the time to stealthzerg (thats right ppl, stealthzergs will grow even BIGGER) that the casual fun is over.

Have I grasped this correctly? Or will this be tweaked in ANY way?

Hey Panzer I want to point something out to you. Welcome to what every Assassin on uth has had to deal with since launch except at the very least archers have camo to counter See Hidden where as Assassins get nothing to counter MOS.

Why do you think there are so many high rr rangers compared to Infs? When I talk to other Infs who have quit they say the EXACT same thing you just said "It isn't fun to play Inf in emain, I buff up, go out and get some archer hitting me from ridiculous range and I don't get IP. It sucks."

Uthgard staff has never moved to nerf MOS on archers so why should they nerf See Hidden on Assassins?

Once again, so many things wrong here. If MoS was the only deciding factor in this equation of high RR = high MoS then why is there not so many high RR hunters or scouts? Dont they also get MoS and Camo? Also, you act like playing an assassin on this server is hard or something. You crack me up. Rangers with duel wield (1/2'ing your INSANELY high evade rate due to broken def penetration) and MoS 4 or 5, with camo up, AND IP and/or purge up can whip an assassin. True enough. However, didnt you awhile back in the threads tell me that you are about "even" versus my RR10 ranger? I guess going "even" with a RR 10 ranger (which you havent) means that they are overpowerd.

Here is what is funny Svp, you play every single powerful class in the game then QQ like a lil girl about rangers. IF MoS was the factor that makes it so unfair for assassins then hunter/scout would be equally as tough. Its not MoS, its the combination of MANY factors with the top one being duel wield.

I look forward to the first time my ranger meets Svp with Old RA's. When I whip that butt I will be sure to screen shot and ask why you lost with See Hidden and I won without MoS4.

Well Ron as to the See Hidden thing I said:

Svperstar wrote:Eventually it was nerfed but that was after my time.

I never played with the nerfed See Hidden as I quit DAOC before that but others have and it is not MOS3/4 as Force has said(Teagun takes his DAOC trivia seriously that guy has more DAOC formulas memorized then anyone else I know) it was 800 units when he tested it and I believe him. The patch notes you quoted were ridiculously vague between 1/4 - 3/4 depending on the level. He even quoted a source complaining it was only 800 units or so. The ORIGINAL See Hidden was nearly clipping range. So if they nerfed it down to between 1/4 - 3/4 which again is very vauge that makes the 800 unit number very realistic.

800 units is NOT MOS3/4

RonELuvv wrote:Your right Svp, I have no clue what I'm talking about with See Hidden....

You don't.

RonELuvv wrote: Also, you act like playing an assassin on this server is hard or something. You crack me up.

It is unless you have the best gear in the game and a ton of patience. You wouldn't believe the amount of Infs who come up asking me questions and soon after hitting emain they give up. They give the same reaons. Go out to emain. Since Ranger is the most popular class on Uthgard they get tried of the shot down over and over thanks to MOS.

Now, this can be alleviated to a certain extent by having great buffs. A legion cloak runs you between 70-120plat and most people don't have the patience to farm this much. Even after you get that you need other buffs and a nice template and Inf is one of the most expensive classes to template properly. Then you need about rr6 to have a chance to compete in emain which most people don't have the patience to do.

Compare this to ranger. If you wanna roll a ranger you don't even really need anything. Not even a cap all template or a Stag Femur. Just run out to AMG and fire arrows with MOS at lower rr assassins and presto. Instant realm rank. My GM recently stopped playing his 6l7 inf and rolled a ranger and laughs at how retarded easy mode it is. Dexx the rr10 inf rolled Ruger the ranger and says the same thing. Much much easier to play a MOS ranger then an inf. Its the easiest class in the game to play as you well know.

RonELuvv wrote:I look forward to the first time my ranger meets Svp with Old RA's. When I whip that butt I will be sure to screen shot and ask why you lost with See Hidden and I won without MoS4.

You know you might whip my butt on your ranger very true since after all you have over 20 points to spend over me and I am pretty ignorant as to old RAs on Inf vs Ranger. You are the only person I know who will brag about killing a rr7 with a rr10(probably because you can't do it on your much closer RR hunter except once every 50 fights)

You are in for a rude awakening Ron. You only play Archers with MOS and act like you are some kind of great player and such an expert on the meta game of DAOC. Dude, you ONLY have RPs because of one RA. MOS. When it is gone its going to be much different for you. Your whole play style is going to go away with the exception of 1 minute of True Sight twice an hour. Your only saving grace with Old RAs is you farmed RPS with MOS so you will have RR on your ranger/hunter already.

Even the people you hang out with in TeamSpeak say you are a nice guy but an awful player and only play MOS Archer because you CAN'T play any other class. You couldn't handle a typical 8 man and would get the boot after 2 incs from not being able to even turn your toon to switch and assist targets. Apparently this is because you are "left handed" and not just because you are awful which is the most logical reason.

Well. We havent seen anything except intensions. The road to hell is paved with good intensions.
Far from sure they will crack this one. And if they do, well, play or quit. As if the GM cares, but I guess thats up to us.

But this See Hidden nonsense is way to much - if they succeed with old RA's. Thats giving a very powerful class the I-win ability. Could be worse maybe, my SB had IP once upon a time.

lols a viper bot complaining about MOS

svperstar wrote:Compare this to ranger. If you wanna roll a ranger you don't even really need anything. Not even a cap all template or a Stag Femur. Just run out to AMG and fire arrows with MOS at lower rr assassins and presto. Instant realm rank. My GM recently stopped playing his 6l7 inf and rolled a ranger and laughs at how retarded easy mode it is. Dexx the rr10 inf rolled Ruger the ranger and says the same thing. Much much easier to play a MOS ranger then an inf. Its the easiest class in the game to play as you well know.

That is HILARIOUS to say the least. Please Svp, make a ranger. Run with nothing but self buffs and see how long you last. Sure, you can spec all sniper with MoS5 and when camo is up you can kill an assassin fairly easily, but that will be it. Great, you just made a lvl 50 that can kill one class every 10 minutes. Grats. The fact is that ANY solo ranger that fights more then just assassins runs with as many charges and buffs as you assassins.

svperstar wrote:You are in for a rude awakening Ron. You only play Archers with MOS and act like you are some kind of great player and such an expert on the meta game of DAOC. Dude, you ONLY have RPs because of one RA. MOS. When it is gone its going to be much different for you. Your whole play style is going to go away with the exception of 1 minute of True Sight twice an hour. Your only saving grace with Old RAs is you farmed RPS with MOS so you will have RR on your ranger/hunter already.

Says the Viper spamming assassin. You're right, it takes SO much more effort to switch weapons. Let me sum it up for you Svp...

All players (visi and stealth) complain about Viper 3 assassins.
Assassins are the only ones that complain about rangers.

Does that sum it up for you? The "everyone" you refer to that complains about how easy mode ranger is, is nothing more then assassins that are upset because ONE class can screw em up IF they have everything up.

As far as your comments about my play style etc is concerned, well I really dont care. I talk with guys all the time and tell people every night that I am NOT some kind of leet player. I'm nothing great, and I do suck on visi toons but not because of what you claim, but rather that I just dont play them enough to be good at them. If my keyboard turning is soooo bad then how comes I still manage to whip your butt on a regular basis? Also, if Ruger was such an easy toon then how comes my hunter regularly destroyed him? You know, since hunter sucks and ranger is so op'd according to you? By the way, I'd like to point out that if defense penetration worked on this server my hunter would win many more fights vs your inf. When my weapon skill plays ZERO factor into your evade rate and you evade well over 1/2 my swings there is not much I can do. That is why my ranger destroys you. Duel Wield. Has nothing to do with MoS.

You know nothing Svp and you prove it on these forums on a regular basis with your posts.

RonELuvv wrote: Sure, you can spec all sniper with MoS5 and when camo is up you can kill an assassin fairly easily, but that will be it.

This was my whole point. Now try doing this on an assassin in emain. You will kill nothing unless you are ridiculously high RR. Like I said easy RP. Just kill assassins. Add fights and run away. Instant rr.

RonELuvv wrote:
If my keyboard turning is soooo bad then how comes I still manage to whip your butt on a regular basis?

The only way you kill me is if you roll up on me on your MUCH high RR ranger shoot me from max range an blow every single one of your RAS then limp away with ~20% health. Last time I found you on your ranger you were adding a minstrels fight and I got up to you without you noticing and easily killed you. Notice how MOS was taken out of the equation. That is how it will be with Old RAs.

RonELuvv wrote:
You know nothing Svp and you prove it on these forums on a regular basis with your posts.

Your vivid imagination is your strong point obviously.

svperstar wrote:The only way you kill me is if you roll up on me on your MUCH high RR ranger shoot me from max range an blow every single one of your RAS then limp away with ~20% health. Last time I found you on your ranger you were adding a minstrels fight and I got up to you without you noticing and easily killed you. Notice how MOS was taken out of the equation. That is how it will be with Old RAs.

Funny, last time we fought was when I was killing a inf/minstrel combo that was adding another players fight. I killed both of them and with a smidgen of life left you came in and killed me afterwards, which I actually thanked you for via pm's for not jumping in till after I was done w/ the duo, but ok we will go off your example.

svperstar wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:
You know nothing Svp and you prove it on these forums on a regular basis with your posts.

Your vivid imagination is your strong point obviously.

Your right. I'm totally making it up that you post things that are BLATANTLY wrong about live like features. Remember when you said detect hidden was broke and I proved to you that it wasn't? How about when you said that rangers had the fastest bows and lowest ranges on live when a quick search to any team lead report will tell you otherwise. Man, my imagination is so life like....

About what people in TS say about my play style, here is the difference... They are not saying anything about me that I have not said about myself on countless occasions in TS. I play the classes I enjoy and play the way I enjoy because otherwise I would not play the game. I've never claimed to be a great player or elite, I play a select few classes and do the best to play them as well as I can given the settings. Also, its funny because those same players talk mad smack about you as well. I've heard many fun stories about your playstyle and how bad you are at group RvR and how you even were made fun of early on in the game for also keyboard turning. Maybe that is why u get so upset that I can keyboard turn and still whip your butt on a regular basis.

You mean I don't need any high end buffs to win? w/ self buffs mos 4 I can get an inf down to 1/4 life and he can turn around ,viper my ass to death leaving me dead and him w/ 1/8 hps... Reasons? im only self buffed and he is not. I challenge Svp and Ron to both run w/ just self buffs and pots one night and see just how well you guys do. Charges are a big advantage, more so than RR.

Much agreed Duie. Charges/Pots turn a decent player into a good player. No question about it. I run on my hunter/ranger dex, con, and haste pots, and I run 150 albalative, AF, and S/C charges on all of them as well. That equates to a huge advantage versus a player w/ no charges or pots for sure.

On the flipside, why dont you run w/ any pots or charges? The AF charge is super simple to run with since a player crafter can make it for you for very little cost. S/C charges are pretty expensive as are the 150 albalative charges, but if you spend 500 gold on an alchemist you could run w/ dex/con/haste and even lower value s/c pots along w/ the 75 value AF spec charge and it wouldnt cost you much money and would strongly improve your output of rp's. Sure, it sucks spending time making those pots all the time, but as we know at nights we all have plenty of down time in which to spend 15-20 minutes crafting some potions.

You can't be angry with players using the tools we are given to get any advantage we can.

RonELuvv wrote:Charges/Pots turn a decent player into a good player.

i would call it charges/pots turn a player into a winning player (which is a consequense from investet timesink = stronger, as in any mmorpg), the number of charges change nothing on the player level of skill.