davidoof wrote:i gived the body neck in alb to the npc and got a mantle "duraek ... cloak " with only 3 charges back

omg

here is no info that the npc dont upgrade the item 1:1

It's a complete exchange. That was made clear more than one time. Exchange means, your item is gone, you get a new one. Its still up to you to do that exchange.

There was never the intent to just increase the value of the necklace of the body for Alb / Hib as this leaves another customized situation which we want to get rid of.

Since Tajendi, a big rule is :

READING... helps a lot

Trishin wrote:

Akip wrote:you forgot to mention that it costs 100g to upgrade the items ...

Simply use up all your charges before you turn it in and you simply pay for recharging your item and you gain a free upgrade as a bonus!

pooka lords mantle only has 5 charges on it anyways
but well i don't complain about the fee but the missing information before

It would be fun to hear you explain how Dura'ek's Cloak of the Embrace magically got a str/con charge.

http://web.archive.org/web/200401181657 ... item=11752

Forgetting for a short moment it is a SI item.

Liss wrote:It would be fun to hear you explain how Dura'ek's Cloak of the Embrace magically got a str/con charge.

http://web.archive.org/web/200401181657 ... item=11752

Forgetting for a short moment it is a SI item.

That screenshot is too old.

http://camelotherald.wikia.com/wiki/Pat ... rsion_1.68

1.68 patch notes wrote:
- All Named drops from Trollheim, Avalon City, and Fomor will now have procs/charges (and weapon effects, where appropriate). This will affect pre-existing items.

Abydos wrote:That screenshot is too old.

http://camelotherald.wikia.com/wiki/Pat ... rsion_1.68

1.68 patch notes wrote:
- All Named drops from Trollheim, Avalon City, and Fomor will now have procs/charges (and weapon effects, where appropriate). This will affect pre-existing items.

That does not prove anything.

You should be aware of the history of zam, and why it is used as source most of the time.
When you know that, and then look here:
http://web.archive.org/web/200806241015 ... item=11752
That is from patch 1.84, but the last update is from patch 1.70.
Other Avalon City items got updated on the same date, and some of them have charges.

In other words, there exist no proof that the cloak had str/con at that time, only that some other items did have other charges.

Even if you go way back you will find items with charges listed on them, like this one:
http://web.archive.org/web/200211180606 ... citem=3200

From what I can find, the cloak got updated with the charge on Aug 29 '11 (patch 1.109b), on zam.

Knowing all this, and then you start to read here:
viewtopic.php?p=266559#p266559
It really baffles me.

'The history of ZAM'

Enlighten me.

Liss wrote:It would be fun to hear you explain how Dura'ek's Cloak of the Embrace magically got a str/con charge.

http://web.archive.org/web/200401181657 ... item=11752

Forgetting for a short moment it is a SI item.

Why not help Abydos kill Dura'ek on Pendragon to see which if you is right?

liss is correct on the side that all items in zam reflect their actual live status and not the status of 1.69 (so killing the mob on pendragon now would for sure lead to the drop in zam now, which does NOT prove what he dropped with 1.69), but on the other side it is not possible to prove 100% what charges the items had back then... and after all, who cares

holsten-knight wrote:liss is correct on the side that all items in zam reflect their actual live status and not the status of 1.69 (so killing the mob on pendragon now would for sure lead to the drop in zam now, which does NOT prove what he dropped with 1.69), but on the other side it is not possible to prove 100% what charges the items had back then... and after all, who cares

There is evidence, however, that in 2004 there was a patch that specifically mentions that item is modified, which invalidates the info listed from 2003. Then, later, info is submitted about the charge. Between 1.69 and then, there are NO patch notes stating those items were again modified. See for yourself.

Abydos wrote:

holsten-knight wrote:liss is correct on the side that all items in zam reflect their actual live status and not the status of 1.69 (so killing the mob on pendragon now would for sure lead to the drop in zam now, which does NOT prove what he dropped with 1.69), but on the other side it is not possible to prove 100% what charges the items had back then... and after all, who cares

There is evidence, however, that in 2004 there was a patch that specifically mentions that item is modified, which invalidates the info listed from 2003. Then, later, info is submitted about the charge. Between 1.69 and then, there are NO patch notes stating those items were again modified. See for yourself.

It did not mention the item by name, it only mentioned items in general in a zone. Something that could and could not mean it got changed, and as per your own definitions used in the other thread. That means it does not qualify as proof.

(Read your PM.)

any news regarding craftable charges?
i heared int was changed or so but well ppl talk alot
and there wasn't any changes in the changelog so far

a little input would be nice

Bugged items thread viewtopic.php?f=42&t=16345
Fixed items thread viewtopic.php?f=42&t=28047

Check both to see progress. Due to the number of potential changes, I won't be putting them in the changelog. Keep an eye on those threads. To answer your question: the stable enlightening arcanium tincture as updated (INT), but I need to make AF spells and havent yet had time, so that will be done later.

True, there is another thread btw.
I use the necklace on tp and being hib can't trade it.
Nevermind

Note: If you have a reskinned Item (cloak for example) do a callgm before changing it at the npc!