There were BBs on live it's a fact. There weren't a tons because it cost irl money and in the past you had to have a good config to play correctly with 2 accounts on the same computer.

We play on 2015, on a freeshard.What does it means? Everyone can run 2+ accounts on its computer because it's free and easy. It'll give you advantages.

And that's why staff don't want. Bots split more the player between experienced player (very experienced multi-boxer) and lowbie.

Bcopeland wrote:Also you are instantly more desirable in a group if you come with your own buffs.

Not really.

Let me explain conclusively why buff bots will not be seen on Uthgard ever. Some people have mentioned previously but hopefully these points will drive it home for you:

1. Buff bots were never intended for the game upon its original release. It wasn't until players realised (specifically stealthers) that 'hey if I buy two accounts, level a buffer on one and just play my other then I can run fully buffed WIN!!!'. Mythic at the time then came to realise that whilst buff bots were not 'healthy' for the game (especially solo play) it effectively doubled there income amongst certain players. To put this in perspective:

An average European subscription = 8.99. The average population on servers was 1700 (lets say) that is £15,283 per server. Now, lets say that 40% of the player base had buff bots that brings an added revenue of £6,113 - now were they ever going to deny themselves of this? Hell no! Some players on Mid ran three acounts... Healer and Shaman = even more income.

2. Uthgard is a free non profit service, there is zero incentive from the staff members to gain income from their player base. Thus, they have the opportunity to create a server in which advantages amongst players is not a given (dual logging) but instead is earned through time spent farming items. This is a MMORPG, things have to be earned through time thus the argument of 'well he/she plays more than I do so I should get buff bots' is completely and utterly banal.

3. We have to consider also that whilst Blue, Nayru and the rest of the coding team have done a fantastic job in allowing a high population to hit the server - why on earth would they want to ruin an equal opportunity for a large number of people to play when everyone is running two/three/four accounts (lets not forget that people will naturally go Team Wizzy style)? Thus flooding the server. One thing we always strive for in Dark Age of Camelot is a large community of players not a bunch of empty soles standing there just to buff. Community is everything in DAOC.

4. 'But Infinitum I'm talking about a buff merchant' - Well you obviously didn't read my first few points. Players need to earn there buffs through grouping that necessary classes in there groups or farming the specific items. I can 100% assure you that farming D/Q and S/C items especially when SI comes is not difficult at all.

Infinitum wrote:Community is everything in DAOC.

10/10

Buff bots suck. But so do elitists who kick people from groups because the race, class or spec they picked. No one will play on a server where the upper 1% treat the lower 99% like ****** just because they don't agree or like what you are playing.

a buff NPC i could agree to to some extent (certain zones, certain potency , ...)

buffbots though certainly not, in any zone or any form.
And the main reason would be how heavy it weighs on a freeshard server. And since its a freeshard server, every single player would have them.

I foresee the server heaving trouble with just the players once it goes live, image doubling that number.

Another point is the social aspect as stated by several other people. This game thought me to look for groups and play with strangers. Its a big part of the game that gets taken away otherwise.
Next to that i also enjoy just bashing away for hours on some mobs solo. I gues i'm lucky that way

I would argue though that at release patchlevdl you would be completly right, at 1.65 they changed certan mechanics allready to balance the game around the existend buffbots. By denying them you change a major part of the balance. And since this is custom anyway a custom solution like a npc or a linked second account would be reasonable

Two accounts to me is ok. It's nice to be able to level with a bot. More than two, I agree would be bad.

bloodylittle wrote:Two accounts to me is ok. It's nice to be able to level with a bot. More than two, I agree would be bad.

You quite clearly did not read my post explaining clearly the reason why this is silly.

Two accounts to me is ok. It's nice to be able to level with a bot. More than two, I agree would be bad.

Infinitum wrote:

bloodylittle wrote:Two accounts to me is ok. It's nice to be able to level with a bot. More than two, I agree would be bad.

You quite clearly did not read my post explaining clearly the reason why this is silly.

I mean, at a certain point you just get so tired to answer to troll unwilling to listen that you should just let them pour in their own sh1t and move on.

Someone should keep a tally of how many times we go through these cycles of the exact same arguments we've had for months.

Next on the rotation should be "please remove buff charges". After that, my money's on no RPs for grays.

True that baman. But what else is there to do? Shall we warm up the poisoned weapons should be tradeble argument? The reasoning is rughly the same so we could recycle the last few posts

I have read your previous posts, and a buffing NPC won't change group dynamics in pve. I'm not saying we need bots. Again a buffing NPC changes very little other than relieve frustration with leveling up. Of course you can create groups, and most will do this. A buffing NPC has no weight on this. There is s reason this keeps coming up, and the majority agree we don't need or want boyt. Some say they still want bots. A buffing NPC only helps everyone...

I am very well aware that the devs won't allow bots and I played on the server without them. I respect their decision because what choice do I have, however I don't like people that agree with them gloating over their victory. The devs have their reasons for not allowing it and maybe it is the same as yours and maybe is isn't. The devs are the only ones that get to dictate how the game is run and played and those jackoffs that are insulting those of us who have a difference of opinion can STFU. You play the way you want to and the devs are supporting your play style, that's great. No one is trying to tell you how to play, we are just asking for the same consideration and again no one has presented an argument that I think is worth a DAMN why allowing 1 bot in PVE only zones harms anyone. If anything not allowing bots makes it so that if players want to level at anything other than a snails pace they have to play like the assholes who have been gloating about getting their way. Well sorry, but the people being jerks have given me more of a reason not to group with people on this server PERIOD, I will use up server resources and I WILL NOT play to help anyone else but myself. I call on any decent person to give a big FU to the anti-botters/forced gameplay style by joining me in soloing. Again no one told the anti-botters how to play, I would never try to force someone to use a bot but I think its disgraceful and disgusting how the elitists on these forums act all high and mighty and try to force people to play how they do.

Or we just stop discussing this moot point.