relvinian wrote:"
Why should they listen to me?
Because they worked 15 months on uthgard 2 and if they don't listen to their players they will FAIL.

I might remind you that "their players" constitutes more than just you and your opinion, although it appears that you are too self-centered to recognise it. The majority in this thread is speaking in favour of the BG change.

CaptnIglo wrote:[...] and then I need to build a zerg first before I can stand a chance against elite players[...]

???

You guys are talking like being a so-called "elitist" is a title granted by the old Gods and the new ones, something you will never achieve because it's not a human thing. Well breaking news, you hear it first: WE STARTED FROM ZERO JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE

I started playing DAoC on Uth in 2011 out of melancholy, and after several years of break. I barely remembered how to move my char. I made my way to the top, leveling up and farming as much as I needed to, and then I started "big boys RvR" at 4L2, just like everybody else. I certainly didn't spend 20 hours/day doing RvR, I can be considered one of those 'casual' players: 2-3 hours after dinner like most of the players do. Sometimes, not having a set group, I couldn't even get out of DL because nobody wanted to group me or I couldn't find the people necessary to fill my group. Even so I managed to meet people, 4L2 lowbies like me, and we started roaming together. We lost *A LOT* at the beginning, but we eventually managed to fix our problems and we started winning 8v8s against those premade groups that are sooooooo scary to you guys. That's how Warriors of Gruen were born, that's how we made it to the top LWRP several times: by not giving up at the first /release, by not arguing and flaming and ragequitting, by analizing our gameplay. By getting our sh*t straight. I guess it's easier to complain, it's easier being lazy and blame it on the potions, on the rank discrepancy, on this and on that... If you're good realm rank means nothing. Sure, they might have more buttons to press during a fight, but hell those buttons won't be available 24/7, and even so you can always find a way around. I still remember how Requiem were roaming with a DPS hero at the start and how they always died in the first month or so. But they got good, very very good. Same applies to Black Adders and to all those guilds that were born in that period of time and that we had the pleasure to meet out there. "Solution is you", skarz is absolutely right. Either you're willing to step up your game (and trust me, it doesn't take 10 hours of gameplay a day to get decent) or you shove your bullsh*ts back where they came from.

(Oh and btw, our bard Nujao (almost 10L) still had pieces of his template not spellcrafted when the server closed. Enough said.)

genesis si, lmao...

so many clueless rednecks

perfect juri, literaly exactly same here with team ingo, we died alot, we improved alot, we won alot

nice text, guess those people are same that complain in rl about... ALL OTHERS FAULT THAT MY LIFE SUCKS! NEVER MINE!

Scalado wrote:

relvinian wrote:"
Why should they listen to me?
Because they worked 15 months on uthgard 2 and if they don't listen to their players they will FAIL.

I might remind you that "their players" constitutes more than just you and your opinion, although it appears that you are too self-centered to recognise it. The majority in this thread is speaking in favour of the BG change.

What players? I see nothing but vaporware and a server that died due to not listening to and going counter what their players wanted.

relvinian wrote:

Scalado wrote:

relvinian wrote:"
Why should they listen to me?
Because they worked 15 months on uthgard 2 and if they don't listen to their players they will FAIL.

I might remind you that "their players" constitutes more than just you and your opinion, although it appears that you are too self-centered to recognise it. The majority in this thread is speaking in favour of the BG change.

What players? I see nothing but vaporware and a server that died due to not listening to and going counter what their players wanted.

server revamp topic since revamp begun total post = 4137

Skarz wrote:server revamp topic since revamp begun total post = 4137

With 2023 posts of Skarz.

Scalado wrote:The majority in this thread is speaking in favour of the BG change.

The majority of the server left once the BG's were removed.

Satiah wrote:

Skarz wrote:server revamp topic since revamp begun total post = 4137

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Scalado wrote:The majority in this thread is speaking in favour of the BG change.

Bla bla bla bla bla bla

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take ur head out ur ass next time u speak please.

Juri wrote:

CaptnIglo wrote:[...] and then I need to build a zerg first before I can stand a chance against elite players[...]

???

You guys are talking like being a so-called "elitist" is a title granted by the old Gods and the new ones, something you will never achieve because it's not a human thing. Well breaking news, you hear it first: WE STARTED FROM ZERO JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE

Yes of course you did. But players who either dont have as much time to spend on this game like others or who will simply join Uthgard later WILL face the so called "elitists" in game. That's just a fact.

Juri wrote:I guess it's easier to complain, it's easier being lazy and blame it on the potions, on the rank discrepancy, on this and on that.

No, it's just easier to quit and play another game. Why should I go through this whole "Wax on wax off"-Mister-Miyagi-thing when I can simply play a game that doesnt require me to do this? Games are meant to be fun and not to teach you a lesson on how hard you have to work in order to achieve something in life.

Juri wrote:If you're good realm rank means nothing. Sure, they might have more buttons to press during a fight, but hell those buttons won't be available 24/7, and even so you can always find a way around.

While it is true that old RAs will soften the impact of high RR a bit through longer cooldowns it'll still make a big difference if you're lvl 36 1L9 or lvl 50 5L0. I fear that closing that gap will require too much time and dedication from casuals. I don't have as much time for playing as I had a few years ago so I'll think twice if I'll spend my spare time trying to pve grind from lvl 42 to 43 without a decent chance for rvr or just play another game that enables me to enjoy its full potential more easily.

Yes lets split the population in more different areas! my god you people are so freaking stupid, complaining about not enough action in the frontiers, so you want bgs.. imagine, like its going to be now.. there will be no bg to lvl 49, which forces people into real rvr, then the amount of people in the frontiers will freaking rise...

Sure, because you expect them to play in the frontiers when the battlegrounds are gone. But the RvR population won't rise. If players stopped playing after reaching 4L2 in Thidranki, they will stop PvPing after reaching 1L9 with this setting too. Why do you expect them to change their behaviour, especially with this more difficult endgame for newcomers and unexpierenced players? They have their reasons why they prefer fast-paced battleground action instead of "big-boys" RvR and just because you try to push them into the frontiers I honestly doubt this will change anything in the RvR population.

it doesnt matter what stage of the server, the elite grps will always be there, from rr1 on day 1, all the way to rr x day x

doesnt even matter what game u play, the elite grps will always be there. u need to accept the gifted gamers, and the hard working grps. and focus on urself.

if u want casual pug fun from time to time and ur grp has both a bad setup and mix of players then u realy cannot expect any success, only the thrill of rvr.

but if u want casual pug fun from time to time and u join a bad grp of players with a nasty setup and u go on to make no real effort into improving ur own gameplayer then that ALL on u.

daoc is not actualy hard. it will only be when u try u will find success, and when i say try.... be open minded, ask for help on tactics, learn ur roll. learn other players styles / strengths / weakness's and eventualy use ur own judgement, seek better friends to play with or make an effort to teach already exsisting friends what u have learned.

shocker : u might actualy have to do something.

blubbo wrote:

Yes lets split the population in more different areas! my god you people are so freaking stupid, complaining about not enough action in the frontiers, so you want bgs.. imagine, like its going to be now.. there will be no bg to lvl 49, which forces people into real rvr, then the amount of people in the frontiers will freaking rise...

Sure, because you expect them to play in the frontiers when the battlegrounds are gone. But the RvR population won't rise. If players stopped playing after reaching 4L2 in Thidranki, they will stop PvPing after reaching 1L9 with this setting too. Why do you expect them to change their behaviour, especially with this more difficult endgame for newcomers and unexpierenced players? They have their reasons why they prefer fast-paced battleground action instead of "big-boys" RvR and just because you try to push them into the frontiers I honestly doubt this will change anything in the RvR population.

lvl 50 1l9......... even pve players will go into as u say ''big boy rvr'' u wouldnt get into invan's dragon raids w/o AoTG !! every supporter will want their power ra's. they may not go into rvr zones in the form of a set 8 man but they will venture into rvr zones for sure. my guess is they will lean towards keep takes and eventualy end up in some sort of zerg, but u must also remember each realm will be doing this, and right here u have what u could call a noob zerg on each realm and they can effectivly get their equivalent to fight. a similar style of fight those bg'ers are proberly used to and like so much, and perhaps when those bg'er get off their high horse's and accept custom bg's in uthgard's patch level will no longer be they can fight along side the pve'ers of their realm vs other bg'ers on other realms doing the same.

devilsfury wrote: Putting up lvl 36 vs lvl 50s is just plain stupid

I want to know who is forcing you to go out into the frontier before you ding 50.

Have you guys forgotten that you do pve to get levels? Not RvR...

Baman wrote:

devilsfury wrote: Putting up lvl 36 vs lvl 50s is just plain stupid

I want to know who is forcing you to go out into the frontier before you ding 50.

Have you guys forgotten that you do pve to get levels? Not RvR...

Being forced to grind the last 14 lvls before being able to do rvr again with a slightly fair chance after capping out of the last bg is rather off-putting tbh.

I started to play at this http://www.returnofreckoning.com/ warhammer online freeshard for a bit. SInce it's still in alpha state lvl 12 is max atm. It used to be easy to get there by doing some simple pve quests. Recently the quests started to be broken and have been gone completly now for like 2 or 3 weeks. Grinding your way to lvl 12 has become so cumbersome that I simply quit lvling my <12 toons. Endless grind is just outdated and boring, and getting to lvl 12 over there is nothing compared to grinding from 36 to 50 in Daoc.

If you can't go without it because it's the Daoc-way, then why make it even more monotonous by practically taking away the chance to do some nice bg rvr action for a change?