holsten-knight wrote:Just awesome to have access to all this information + blues mobile phone number for personal Immediate needed bugfixes 24/7 a week

At your service We thought you should have some privileges.

DUDE. The thing is just do a vote. As you already seen, the MAJORITY doesn't want HOLSTEN OR RECTOR. end of discussion. There are more sociable people than them, as i said in my last posts and saw in other's posts neither Holsten or Rector got any freaking ideea about what the majority part of the community wants or QQs about since they aren't sociable, they aren't playing in the US primetime also, and everyone can lead a zerg or a pve raid either of it succeeds or not. The point is stop choosing people by your own preference and let the players choose the ones they want to represent themselves in a player council. It isn't that hard and if you do that i believe this post won't turn up to be a total mess. I'm not speaking or even considering myself into this "council" thing, but i know and saw better people than holsten/rector that can REALLY do something here. If it isn't a german player you wouldn't even take him into considerence and this is a true FACT - change this crap, german people aren't more uber than french/italians/czech/danish/whatever JUST let US VOTE for the council members which will represent us. That's all

wann darf ich ins geheimforum???????????????????????

bodoterror6 wrote:I'm not speaking or even considering myself into this "council" thing

You wouldn't even have the slightest chance.

as i said i don't want to + even if i wanted im not GERMAN so no chance, anyway it will be a fail thing since people already know you do whatever you want despite the fact what community thinks im not giving a freaking 2cents on your council but i give on people which form it. can't stand on my back while i know someone inferior to me represents me or other people

Seriously when does the "staff favors German people" die?

It's not like half the staff is from somewhere else than Germany

whatever ^^ as i said 2 years ago, this server is failing and you've already saw it and made it fail. keep going

A council to communicate the playerbases opinions and concerns to staff that have stated they don't necessarily care about opinions on decisions they make. A council made up of people that aren't chosen by the playerbase but by someone who decided to beg on IRC for awhile to have a position and bring in friends who now have access to potential changes the server will be making ahead of everyone else.

The only thing this will accomplish is allowing certain people access to information ahead of time. Their opinions or the "opinions of the playerbase" have already been said to not matter much.

pretty hard to build such a council i an useful way because you will need any kind of players there, nicefighters and assholes and alle the grey shades between elsewhere most players will never feel stated : )

Galandriel2 wrote:pretty hard to build such a council i an useful way because you will need any kind of players there, nicefighters and assholes and alle the grey shades between elsewhere most players will never feel stated : )

The only useful way to assemble any type of council with meaning is to openly do it. That means democracy however and that seems to be a word they dislike. A council assembled without democracy that is stated to represent a group of people is just really amusing.

I try to help and point things out or put forward opinions (before any council was considered...) because I enjoy the server, however I get the feeling, more and more each day, that the staff just don't want the project so succeed. Doing the things they do are the things I would do if I wanted to ensure a project failed. Their general outlook and attitude towards players is just amazing, projects with those types of "its my way or no way" end up finding their project with no support.

If they want a council that has no meaning or purpose, well then, this way is fine.

actually i would also prefer a vote for the council, but as long as we have no good way of voting (forum isn't suited for this, and we have no ingame vote system) announcing grown up players as representative's is the best way imo... so just spam northforest with PMs of nominee's... and don't make it look like it's heavens job on earth. It is work without any gain. And i don't believe the council will have any great impact on the server either. So don't be a drama queen, just lean back and wait if anything useful comes out of this... same as i do.

And believe it or not, i can be very neutral. As i like and have done all kinds of rvr in the last 11 years of daoc ... 8vs8, adding, zerging, even solo... and i do not care a lot about what kind of rvr is played here as long as there is any

As far as i see it we still need some alb and some non german player in the council. But grown up (in behavior) should be the most important qualification

hence my post

i talked to a new player playing here in albion

the last what he said is uthgard copy the falses from life severs and also changes above patch target

so we need also hear what new players without guild/alli/contact thinking about starting here, only new players can keep a server allife

i think there is also a perma thread leaded by a mod to write down the frustrated points about starting/playing here
may be it getting in a qq tread more xp/loot etc. but better than not listen to ppl without contact

sry 4 bad eng but the thread was not copyed in german news section

and again btw... it is not the councils job to decide what kind of rvr is to be prefered on uthgard or such. So don't panic, you will not be forced to add every fight or zerg because i am in

i have yet to find out what the job of the council is anyway

holsten-knight wrote:and again btw... it is not the councils job to decide what kind of rvr is to be prefered on uthgard or such. So don't panic, you will not be forced to add every fight or zerg because i am in

i have yet to find out what the job of the council is anyway

Well, nobody ever said(except for a few guys who prolly misunderstood the whole idea) council will have any POWER. From what I understood, it's something formed for easier communication between staff and players. Nobody ever said you, Rector or Luydor are bad guys. Hell, I even felt bad when I pointed some fingers, I hope nobody got offended. However, I really don't think that three guys coming from very similar spheres of play and guild/alliance surroundings should be there together. I mean, if you are all buddies, one can represent all three. Well anyway, I hope this thing works out. I do like Uthgard and I respect the people who run it, their work, dedication and time they spend to make it available for us all to play. I don't think removing barrels or similar changes will be the death of the server. However, one thing that always bothered me is the dumb, robotic and concrete minded attitude they have. To them it's more important to make the server a blind copy of their version(which is not god given, cause daoc creators were not perfect beings from outer space) to the dumb details like some random quest or item drop rate, than to work to have a balanced server which any class/playstyle can enjoy. Well, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's better to aim for the version you want to recreate or at least as close as you can get to it, then work on some custom balance changes, then to start with loads of custom changes and end up dunno where . They also don't want to admit player base and player population has anything to do with it, when it clearly does. You can't just copy something from 8-10 years ago into a completely different surrounding and expect it to work, that's mechanical thinking which leads to a dead end. However, I might be mistaken . Went a little off the topic there but you understand what I'm trying to say. Look, I know a lot of people on Midgard and yes, there is a ****** of whiners who will declare any change or nerf as the begining of the end, and 99.9% of the time I don't agree with them. However, underneath all that some players have good points, and many, many others can relate to that, just don't know how or don't want to express it.