So, this is a preety tricky issue, here it goes.

On live server you can log from one account on one realm only. So for the second realm you need second account, wich you pay for. So let's be LIVELIKE and allow only one realm for one ip. So if some1 logs from same ip on other account should not be able to do it unless other realm accounts are deleted.

I bet x-realmers will be happy about it.

good luck with this thread
will never happen i would say

hmm ya dont see this ending very productivly.. dont think they would randomly make a change like that..

the idea is not that bad

but deleting hm...
there are many players who like to play differnt realms now an then just to see something differnt once in a while without the intension to spy or whatever.

but maybe a timer would be nice like 1 hour or even longer before you can switch realms ^^

I sometimes have to play on the same IP as a friend who got chars on alb, that means I have to delete my hib chars ?

ya but staff will come with this line:

It is too easy to change your IP so changing this wont make it impossible for X-realmers to spy etc. - therefor no change


however staff plz do this - then we will only get the real hardcore X-realmers :p

if u had to go and change IP before you could rejoin another realm I know a lot would just wait that 1 hour

We thought several times about such limitations. But it can't be enforced easily without paid accounts.

Whats in the task queue is that logging into other realm accounts will have some type of timed lock. Therefore all accounts someone owns have to be registered to one email address. Using of shared accounts will be forbidden then. Also logging into accounts registered by a second email address would be bannable.

Most ISPs (at least in Finland) offer several IP addresses with one physical connection. So, if I just get a dumb switch and plug it into my cable modem, I can connect up to 5 computers to the net, each having different, non-NAT IP address. Basically there's nothing stopping me running one account on my PC, one on my laptop, one on the kids' PC and one on my son's laptop. I just don't do it because it's forbidden. Even if it was allowed, I probably still wouldn't do it. I've never found the coolness of multi-boxing. I rather group with other people than myself. Same thing, I prefer sex with a lady over.. well.. me.

I dont X-realm either. Hibbi4life, homies!

bad for the ex - edn-member, cause they play in alb now hm ?

let it be dialia , im happy to meet these guys in agra as enemys

Rontti wrote:Most ISPs (at least in Finland) offer several IP addresses with one physical connection. So, if I just get a dumb switch and plug it into my cable modem, I can connect up to 5 computers to the net, each having different, non-NAT IP address. Basically there's nothing stopping me running one account on my PC, one on my laptop, one on the kids' PC and one on my son's laptop. I just don't do it because it's forbidden. Even if it was allowed, I probably still wouldn't do it. I've never found the coolness of multi-boxing. I rather group with other people than myself. Same thing, I prefer sex with a lady over.. well.. me.

I dont X-realm either. Hibbi4life, homies!

If you get detected sometime in the future your accounts would be gone. Thats with all exploits and violations of rules. You must know whether its worth to not wait to log into the other realm and violating the rules.

Blue wrote:We thought several times about such limitations. But it can't be enforced easily without paid accounts.

Whats in the task queue is that logging into other realm accounts will have some type of timed lock. Therefore all accounts someone owns have to be registered to one email address. Using of shared accounts will be forbidden then. Also logging into accounts registered by a second email address would be bannable.

I'd make it a 24 hour lock beginning from the time the player logs out of their current account. That way the player has to choose if they wish to play hib, mid, or alb that particular day as opposed to playing hib for x minutes/hours and logs to mid/alb.

I guess the real question is, what prevents someone with 10 accounts from creating 10 seperate e-mail addresses, then changing ips once they log, then log into the next account under a different ip?

I'd like to see an additional component added to this in the form of a standalone application that is required to run and be operating in the background. This application would check harddrive IDs and report this info to uth server when the person logs in with an account. If the HD id's dont match what is associated with the registered account then the user is rejected from logging into any account.

For example the application is required to download and run during the registration process. When run, the app will prompt the user to enter their desired info (account name, pw, e-mail address for the account) and sends this off to uth registration. The user now has an account registered and their Hardware ID is recorded and sent off to be stored in an UTH DB. The player can login to uth using daoc portal but in order to be connected to uth server, the application has to be run and validate the login request from the current user. Since the application is required to run in the background each time the player logs in, no one can get onto uth without first having verified they are the person who originally made the account since it is linked to the PC used to register.

An option could be placed on the application if the person is changing hardware or accessing the account. Clicking this would update the current info registered to the person's account after revalidating the new hardware. To my knowledge one cannot fake hardware ID authentification. A timer could be set preventing a player from revalidating multiple times in a day. For example if a revalidation is done, then the account is banned from use for a 24 hour period (or whatever time is deemed appropriate) This would prevent exploitating the use of the validation process to log in from another machine and so forth.

Blue wrote:Whats in the task queue is that logging into other realm accounts will have some type of timed lock. Therefore all accounts someone owns have to be registered to one email address. Using of shared accounts will be forbidden then. Also logging into accounts registered by a second email address would be bannable.

That would mean if you try to log your friends account on the same realm you would get banned? For example, I have access to several hib accounts, and some people have access to my account.

Account sharing is forbidden in many online games anyway. This step surely would raise the level of Uthgard.

i think the most important question before the HOW is the WHY?

cause it's live like... hmm bad argument... or get buffbot cause livelilke is an absolute rule.

cause you have realm spy? bad argument, you still can use TS or IRC to give info.

cause you wanna ****** people that wanna play as they want? hmmm oki, it's a bit like the post " kick all the BGs, to many players have fun there."

cause you defend a realm and so you should stay defending it? i think that's bad argument. that's the same one used for zerging and most of people disagree with that. and i really prefere people joining a realm to help in place of staying on the wining one.

so there is till the WHY... give me some reasons please.

and now about the HOW , there are lot of problems.

email adresse per account? hmmm i have more than 15 accounts on alb and you still can create more false adress to have different accounts.

preventing shearing account? that will be a problem for lot of people.

1 account = 1 IP... there are lot of connexion that change IP after every reboot

that's a problem too for people playing together at home.

I think that's a lot of work to bring a solution where there is no problem and that will bring problems without easy solution. totaly illogical.