In the level 50 RvR we are daily taking notice of a never ending clash of attitudes. There are three parties of players:

1) Solo running players or very small groups
2) 8-player groups
3) "Zergs"

There is no "perfect" gameplay, thus Mythic once designed the RvR for more than 8vs8 players fighting each others. Each style has it's advantages and disadvantages and each player prefers one style for any reasons.

The problem that I am going to describe right now was once caused by another group, even smaller than the three described earlier: Those who don't accept other players to take influence on their favourite style. This smaller group is somehow ruining RvR for most of the players day for day, although some of their reasons in fact are comprehensible. Due to other problems that I will not specify here, most of all players attempt to leave the RvR zone after loosing a couple of fights, which is also absolutely comprehensible.

As a result of this danger of a sudden loss of enemies, unfortunately this small group of players tries to prevent their realmmates from "disturbing" their almost fair battles. Sometimes they do it politely, but way too often they do it in an unpolite manner, which results in an even greater problem:

More and more players loose their fun in the level 50 rvr. As long as each realm contains players of the described group, we're experiencing the meaning of a vicious circle.

Imagine nobody attempting to prevent their realmmates from participating in the war between the realms.
Imagine the realms would stick together better instead of allying with their enemies.
Imagine there would be no arrangements between the realms to always build fair groups.
Imagine your realmmates would not log off because of the frustrating climate within the realm.
Imagine all three realms would follow these thoughts.

See where we could be now? Nobody telling anyone to log off means more fun for everyone, both the realmmates fighting against "your" enemies and your enemies, that you are not usually fighting against. Suddendly there would be more players in RvR, although you might not always encounter your beloved counter-strike gameplay.

Please take some seconds to think about this whole topic and remember: The enemies are out there in the other realms. Not your realmmates are your enemies.

If you play solo you need to be ready to get ganked all the time. If you can´t handle that, you don´t play solo on a RvR server. Acting childish and calling people names VNboards/Catacombs style is unacceptable. A community like that destroys a game.

DAoC is RvR. It´s not PvP and it´s not GvG. You can choose to play solo, smallman, 8man but don´t expect people to change their game style because of you and not mow you down.

Yeah Nayru, this is a fact, and unfortunately I think we cant fight much against it. (we cant, and should not, change the way players should behave at game.)
Those problems became for too much reasons...
-High RR players dont want "newbie or low RR" players in their grps couse they want <fair> X vs X rvr, and anything out of this rule is "adding"=rps stealers
-Other players think that thye are the best, so they cant grp with anyone
-Other cant grp because of lang issues.
-Very few people accept that stealthers can play rvr too. Thanks god this is turning along time.
-Realm balance system...too much hot and complicated to speak about it here.

Imho, this issue would be reduced if we had more active LV50 players in Agramon. and , of course, a bit better realm balance system.
-Check the main color for last 6 months LWRP
-Now Check realms population...something is going wrong, couse data missmatch. think on it plx.

None have the rights to be unpolite or tell another one how to play in a RvR area, this includes add (what is the most common argüe).

But the base problem is not the people behavior, is the low population of the RvR area. This is the real cause of problems becouse people NEED a way to keep the fun going on >>> don't add >>> fair battles >>> etc. And this will never change in the current situation.

The only solution I can think is merge all the server RvR in Agramon or a single zone like instants and keep BG's for faster leveling with fun but with no realmpoints for example.

P.D. Did you ever see people in a server with 100+ players in RvR (purga, eden, instant 50, liveservers) complaining about adds,zergs..etc?? while there are fun-enemys the problem disapears people just accept as it is.

/yawn

You all know my point of view => ***

However this would change if there are 3 times more ppl than we have at the moment. 1 opr 2 Fgs of each realm in RvR is just too less to keep up the so called 'fun' ..

Holundermann wrote:However this would change if there are 3 times more ppl than we have at the moment.

Right, but it won't as long as players like you tell others to "stop adding" this won't change. That's what I mean with the vicious circle.

Nayru, I hope this isn't too much critism in your eyes to the staff or your person. If you see it like that sorry, the following post is only what I think of this post.


Sorry I don't get why this topic has to be discussed once again. It is a topic that should be closed every time the topic is reopened with no new thought. The arguments are always the same, the positions of the people are the same and they won't or just a bit change.

If you want an example for a topic that can be closed everytime too: Greykilling


In my opinion it's both the same core that links those two topics.

It's RvR - a term created by mythic, landing in diffrent brains and effecting diffrent interpretations

RvR means you can kill everything of the other realms, neither it's color, it's value, it's strengh, it's gender or personality


but it is a can! The rest might be a question of honor or maybe of fun (please don't say it is because RPs, I am 8LX and if there would be an 8vs8 Arena with no rpgain I would join it too)


Now the right way you proposed is to think what others want to behave. I am happy to agree with that. This also means you have to think that every grp feels bad if their fun or wishes how RvR should look like is destroyed. Of cause spamming is no way out if you are upset, but telling others doesn't help - the consequence can be realmwide hate.

Don't force people to behave like you think is good behaviour, like it always was with greykilling or RvR (8vs8), don't make censorships over those, this makes our server liberal (I say this as a part of the community) and open for a lot of players so that noone has to leave



Feel free to correct me, here or via pm



Close this topic soon if there is too much spam



Duke

Open a Poll to see what people think about close BG's for a week as a test and see how things develop

if it's red ... beat it until it's dead ... simple


it's a REALM war ... not a GROUP or GUILD war ... if you want 8v8s -> open an 8v8 shard ... if you want guild vs. guild -> open an guild vs. guild shard ...


but some will never get it and slowly destroy their game ...


ok, enough, see you in a few weeks =)

/Sign Nayru, Lets all hope for a Shutdown of the Live Servers as soon as possible and we will have enough players :>

Totaly right statement.... this whole "your addin" flame in Broad is totaly ....... up but the allys dont work together hate each other for beeing there and whatever i hope that this topic will help.... but i dont believe it will help for to many egomanic ppl ....

Imagine nobody adding your fights and disturbing the nice battle you've had.
Imagine the community would stick together better instead of hating eachother just because the game wants you to.
Imagine there would be no zergs lagging around in Agramon using interesting "next-target" -> <insert anytimer of your choice here>
Imagine the players would not log off because of the frustrating experience of getting zerged over and over again.
Imagine the whole community would follow these thougts.

This is the other point of view - also working, hum?

Please take some seconds to think about this whole topic and remember:
Oh wait - this has been thought over - ah no, it has been locked after the first post of the player-based initative about a year ago.
DAoC is a game that supports both styles of playing. It has been, it is and it will always be.
The only way to solve this conflict is to give every of these players the chance to play the way he likes to.
Even the staff is not able to restrict or ban any of these play-styles.

Come on, no one talked about banning "wrong" play-styles.

Ozerdin wrote:The only way to solve this conflict is to give every of these players the chance to play the way he likes to.

The problem is that some people yell and call people names because they add. That is no right and that is trying to tell them they shouldn´t play like they do.

How would you solve the problem?

I only read ppl crying and flaming about ppl call them adders ^^ never see ppl calling others adder

How logical. People "cry" that they are called adders, but no one calls them adders...

Proud to be a troll, Malle?