the spiritmaster pet need nerff

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Postby Agonii » Sep 29, 2008 14:22

hi, the spiritmaster pet need a real nerff for the sm pet have 100% intercept and a abla ( ex : i attack the sm i make 250 dmg the pet intercept and take only 50 dmg )

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Postby Hornster » Sep 29, 2008 18:41

not that much of a problem tbh
the pet only gets so little dmg when it intercepts
if you attack it directly - it will die fast.
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Postby Agonii » Sep 29, 2008 19:02

today i have grp with a merc lvl 42 full sc and me ( friar lvl 33 ) vs a spiritmaster lvl 40 the sm have time to kill us and the pet are not dead

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Postby Flamingfury » Sep 29, 2008 19:10

He cast 2 pbaoes and you died ? :P

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Postby Hornster » Sep 29, 2008 19:29

well agonii
if for example the merc kills the pet and you rupt the spiritmaster...
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Postby Luydor » Sep 30, 2008 03:20

Heho,

Agonii when you maken an example then make it maybe correctly.
First the Merc was in mezz when you wipe, that not really a problem with 7 level between the chars. And then the merc, with strengh debuff, attack the pet, the pet had juggernaut I. So I had enough time to cast him down.

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Postby Rent » Sep 30, 2008 16:11

Pet intercept = better ML Bodyguard , because you don´t need a second player ;)


Example Braemar:

Nightshade + BM on same lvl can´t kill 1 SM , but not cause of CC , but Intercept ... i attacked pet , but it has too many HP and NS bsed SM , but everything was intercepted and pet was still alive~o~

=> We wiped cause of PBAoE and it was also impossible to kill the caster when he was oom ... cause intercept takes 100% of hits ;)

P.S.: when we tried to take pet together down , SM had enough time to run away and cast a new one -.- (Pet HP ftw)
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Postby jrhadden » Sep 30, 2008 17:16

Someone already posted it.

If sm has 50% intercept chance. And its correct implemented.

The chance for like 15 hits in a row to be intercepted is nearly 0 - just using basic statistic. But since it happens frequently... Something definetly is wrong.

1Hit in a row: Hit(H) or not (N) -> 1:1 -> 50% Chance for H
2Hit in a row: HH vs HN NH NN -> 1:4 -> 25% Chance for HH
3Hits in a row: HHH vs NHH HNH HHN NNH NHN HNN NNN -> 1:8 = 12,5%
4Hits in a row: ....

As one can see the chances drop very rapidly!

Or using the formular: 0.5 ^ (number of hits)


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Postby Weia » Sep 30, 2008 17:41

Mr Pet is indeed pretty strong, but you'll quickly notice the difference between him and a toa bodyguarder when you put a competent AT on the SM.

Not every class is supposed to be able to kill every other class. So tanks have trouble with an SM ? Bring a caster, and nuke him down like any other pet class. Team up with a CC class instad of another tank, and you can easily dispatch the SM in melee too. Want to solo him ? Be a minstrel :P

Think it's unfair that there's a class that YOUR class might need help in killing ? Be very happy you're not a healer then. :D

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Postby jrhadden » Sep 30, 2008 19:10

I think its gonna be fine once its implemented correctly :)

Guess it just takes some time.

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Postby EvilAliv3 » Sep 30, 2008 23:57

May bethat INtercept chances are right... but what for sure isnt is that pet has to take seriously higher dmg when intercepts

Even as said on other thread, U hitting pet for 30, which is clearly not 1/3 of 200+ U hit Mage

And i may be wrong but i remmeber SMs in ofi much easier to kill... Being 4 melees in 1 SM and could even hit him once for iterrupt in Wilt be4 all dead...
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Postby Zippity » Oct 01, 2008 07:02

These sorts of things are rather difficult to test on uthgard for a few reasons such as the fact that there are custom chat strings used for certain features in which chat parsers are not able to distinguish. Another issue is that there really isnt a parser out there that is able to take certain types of data (intercepts for instance).

I would recommend a 1000 hit sample size taken for each summon type to see if there is any difference in the intercept rates between different types of pets used.

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Postby Rector » Oct 01, 2008 08:58

Is intercept chance modified by the level of the attacker on live / on uth?

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Postby Zippity » Oct 01, 2008 09:08

Rector wrote:Is intercept chance modified by the level of the attacker on live / on uth?


I'm not sure. That is a good point to test though.

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