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Postby Qunie » Mar 08, 2018 05:41

Because it's not one.

I'm just wondering about something here. Maybe it's a subject that has been put up a lot of times but I dont understand how the bigest guilds on hib are feeding mids everydays, everynights all day long.

And not being able to see that mid loved it. ( who wouldnt lol )

So I'm more concerned about why people keep on doing this. I can understand that when u play casual you want to have some fun and so on. Np about that. But where is the fun of being farmed by one or mid group when your are 4fg ?

Are you not tired ? I dont know it seems not. Tbh, I'm on hin too and I'm fine with this. Higher rank to fight higher challenge.

I was just wondering how people can play since 2001 in that game, now all the pve mechanics, and still not be able to be more organized in RvR.

It's not a topic for QQ'ing, or flame. I would like hib to wake up a little and see what I see everydays.

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Postby Llaw » Mar 08, 2018 10:16

I guess some people just prefer a more ...

expedient demise ...

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Postby Spivo » Mar 08, 2018 10:25

Not sure what else they are supposed to do to RvR?

Midgard has dominated from launch, guess Albs/Hibs should just stop going to RvR zones untill either Mids quit or some change is done to balance things?

I personally keep going out, but I do sometimes wonder why.
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Postby pweet » Mar 08, 2018 11:36

The problem is the server settings not the ppl. On Uthgard the most dominating realm gets huge bonuses from relics and keeps.
Change relics and keep bonuses to xp or RP bonus.
Doesn't make sense to give the realm which is already dominating and outnumbering an additional 30% bonus.
It's a design flaw. Mythic understood that and reduced the influence of relics.

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Postby shatton1987 » Mar 08, 2018 12:24

Midgard has a higher volume of RvR proficient players. Fact.
Hib second, and lastly, alb.

In my opinion, Midgard has a lot higher rr players, because a lot of us have RvRd for about a year on Uth2 and not switched realm etc.
A percentage of the good Hib and Alb players actually started on Mid.
But albs and hibs only need to get a few RAs to be competitive.
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Postby Tienef » Mar 08, 2018 12:37

I agree mid is slightly dominating overall (everyone will pull out a different explanation)

But I don't see as much blue here as stated by OP : https://daoc.scheffel.it/chars/l/1

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Postby MT-Pear » Mar 08, 2018 12:40

Just take a look on the RP distribution:
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Postby pweet » Mar 08, 2018 12:42

Data doesnt look too skewed, but wll my perception is different 8) but i mainly do 8v8, and with 30% bonus there is no fair 8v8 :wink:

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Postby jalore » Mar 08, 2018 12:58

Qunie wrote: doing this. I can understand that when u play casual you want to have some fun and so on. Np about that. But where is the fun of being farmed by one or mid group when your are 4fg ?


The answer is both easy and complicated.

Lot of the zerg groups that go out are far from optimal. If lucky your group has a naturalist and if really lucky have you have a rare 2 or 3 naturalists. and if you got 4 naturalists you are probably not running with the zerg. Instead of just standing around waiting for more naturalists to log on or optimal setting people just suck it up and head out and try to do something.

Every realm has a seer, naturalist or acolyte issue. An issue since 2001.. hib uth2 is usually lack of bards . uth1 iirc mid seemed like it was pac healers

In the end people just head out with luck groups and hope for the best, otherwise you will stand around for hours doing nothing waiting for the right classes, spec and realm rank to log on. So is it better to try something and get lucky or just wait? Guess depends on your priorities,and time you have on hand. Even if know you are going to wipe o keep action out while waiting on more to log on or even switch.

look at my zerg videos to get an idea of group make up for hib zergs.

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Postby Trishin » Mar 08, 2018 13:11

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Postby Spivo » Mar 08, 2018 13:23

The 3 different Heralds (http://www.incguild.com/herald, http://herald.uthgard.net/herald.php?view=index, https://daoc.scheffel.it/) give 3 different results.
They all point to Midgard dominance.

If it's because:
More people chose easy realm, and stayed there getting good at their classes.
Or if it's because Midgard was blessed with better players by chance.
Or if Alb/Hib guild groups give up, and change realm.

Is hard to say.
I personally think it's because forming groups, with key classes, on Alb/Hib is much harder, and also harder to play optimal. And the few guilds that do run only use people they always run with, so no new blood is introduced.
And they'd often rather not RvR, if they can't find someone they know to fill the spots.
Add to this that Midgard leveling is almost equal to RvR groups, while Necro+afk alt is rarely a good basis for a strong alb RvR group.

From what I see, albs then often resolve to running 2+ groups to compensate for to few clerics/sorc/etc... which means they gain some rps, but don't improve their group coordination.

Someone could prob fill 20 pages analyzing why Mids/Hibs earn more rps than Albs.
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Postby Llaw » Mar 08, 2018 14:27

Spivo wrote:The 3 different Heralds (http://www.incguild.com/herald, http://herald.uthgard.net/herald.php?view=index, https://daoc.scheffel.it/) give 3 different results.
They all point to Midgard dominance.

If it's because:
More people chose easy realm, and stayed there getting good at their classes.
Or if it's because Midgard was blessed with better players by chance.
Or if Alb/Hib guild groups give up, and change realm.


Mid being dominant has very little to do with a more proficient player pool per capita.

It just has more players, which means more players that are proficient overall, which means more people out in RvR, which means having to use less RAs per fight, whereas the under-represented realms will have RAs on cooldown much more often, which affects win percentages. There's many minor reasons why Midgard is ahead, that add up.

No need to regurgitate the same old platitudes about why Mid is easier, because we all know why it is (at low- to mid tiers).

When this server launched, most people knew that Midgard would become dominant (because it always is at this patch level), so they decided to play Midgard (most, not all), and as long as you're winning, you keep RvR'ing. Whereas both Alb and Hib casuals have a very hard time getting something going without zerging, so they get demoralized and stop very early.

Message to Albs: Start playing tank setups already. You don't have to run 4 caster setups just because that's what some salty NA has decided is the only viable strategy. If you want tips, ask the koreans. Those guys never quit or seem to lose morale.
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Postby Vlalkor » Mar 08, 2018 15:07

Trishin wrote:I just noticed I liked the initial post from fat fingering on my phone. Just wanted to make that clear so no one thinks I have any particular thoughts about the OPs post.


A likely story! ;P You don't have fat fingers! <3

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Postby Llaw » Mar 08, 2018 15:10

Vlalkor wrote:
Trishin wrote:I just noticed I liked the initial post from fat fingering on my phone. Just wanted to make that clear so no one thinks I have any particular thoughts about the OPs post.


A likely story! ;P You don't have fat fingers! <3


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Postby Vlalkor » Mar 08, 2018 15:11

Llaw wrote:
Vlalkor wrote:
Trishin wrote:I just noticed I liked the initial post from fat fingering on my phone. Just wanted to make that clear so no one thinks I have any particular thoughts about the OPs post.


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