The handholding contest was in Hibland, it looked like a nice contender you had for the competition just a danm shame you never appeared for the judges.

Reference: midzerg in emain vs hibzerg. yet 3-5fga avoid 8mid you let slip right pass you inside Bledmer and you pull off. You truely want those empty keeptakes it seem

****** easymoders

wonshot wrote: ****** easymoders

Said the guy who rerolled mid.

Irony much?

36 Rude-Spam in a row AND a whining thread in one day ! You guys make me really happy

Freudinio wrote:

wonshot wrote: ****** easymoders

Said the guy who rerolled mid.

Irony much?

Sorry this made me LOL

Oh the Easymode comment was meant to be taunt, if I cant get my action ingame because people rather take empty keeps than fighting even remotely close to even numbers. Ill stir up some forum action.

On a serious note, we ran with one of our healers tonight on his baby rr3 berserker and we were excited to play. Instead the whole evening was 3-5fga holding hands, so instead of giving up we tried to setup in different spots where we stod a little better chance to fight back vs heavily outnumbered. And none of the times the albs showed any interest in actually fighting players.

21:07 3fga chasing us into Alb rvr dungeon but dont come in. and instead use sos in the open to catch us after camping exit 1fgm-3fga
22:11 we roam Odins looking for fights, the alb zerg let us march pass their siege inside Bledmeer. 8mid 32 attackers. They ran
22:28 albs ran to Blendrake where Tilt was holding them away from pveing doors, we rolld up and seached 2fgm vs 3fga+ for open fight. Albs all gone.

Albs have more tools and toys, just because you refuse to setup yourself for succes doesnt mean your realm is hardmode. Just that you are lazy... Easymoders

And before you send me the book of old excuses about not having the right classes to rvr, that falls on you for not being willing to play the core classes needed or putting in effort building groups and instead tags along on a realm-daddy who has an open BG(grats on becoming a "Dad" Rolfe )

Sooo same time same deal tonight? <3

Bombling...you are delusional....That is not a true representation of how things unfolded at all.

Do you know why were were out there?..Of course you think we just wanted keeps right...Wrong!!!! We wanted to have fun fights (like the day before), open field ones with a chance of at least SOME kills! All you gave us were high lvl guards, doors to hit and inc on every pull of them (or a sneak in and wait at lord zzzz). You even tried the old boring ALB tower defence before we ported, which again we ignored because its getting old. You need to take note the only keeps Rolfe actually cares about are ALB keeps. We tried to make good action in mid land after unsuccessful runs in hib, YOU made it all about keep defence, not us!

There are some other things you missed/choose to ignore:
Do you know what the average lvl of player was in the alb grps? Lets just ignore that as another excuse right...facts are irrelevant.

What lvl was bled again? What lvl were most the keep?...how many guards were on us on EVERY inc/push you gave us? But that just your tactics right...why not take advantage..Sure, but dont then complain you were outnumbered! You werent by much anyway even if you took the guards out the equation.

Only your grp and another roaming mid land...Nope not at all!! We were out numbered several times during the day..2fgm vs 3 fga ? Just no...there was more of you than that as the last INC we took part in showed us being heavily outnumbered once again.

We were not looking for keep fights anyway, we were looking for open field fights,we tried many times to entice you out, waiting in sight for long periods, but no!! We were even split up a lot! All you did was hug the keeps even when an even fight could be had! Its becoming very boring to keep playing into your hands for the stand at lord while you pb away and stun anything that comes up "tactics"...especially when you misuse the rams...we are bored and tired of it already.

Talking of hand holding...how many mids were out the day before to combat 3 alb grps fairly well setup (which only later made it to 6 not so well setup grps) Thats right 106!! Did your kobby hands get squished by a sweaty troll palm in that grand display of handholding? No we were not going for a relic btw

And lets go back to you easy mode comment. Yes you DID go to mid because it was easy mode (not matter how much you try to deny it, the only person you are fooling is yourself), as when you were on alb you admitted (to me personally) that you believe the ice wizard (albs only pber) is just not viable enough until much higher RR (and you were not prepared to do it) and was the reason you were not playing one anymore! You also admitted that alb had little reply to the lord room tactic you so like using other than zerg with sos etc! Now you complain about the zerg...

You keep on saying about handholding aswell, yet while you were back on alb you did nothing but just that, waiting all day for daddy split to come on! You never attempted to put your own 8 man grp together and remain dormant waiting for inv! You were also very sly in getting details from many of the BG leaders on how they made decisions during your short "comeback" to alb, all this just before going back to mid without saying anything. In hindsight its now clear that is all you really came back to do. You may fool yourself in thinking you are smart and clever for this, but really it was just a play on peoples opnenness and trust, which is just a weaselly and dishonest move at best!

Now is there anything else you want to try to over inflate your delusional ego with?

TLDR: Bombling is full of it.

ScurBurg wrote:Bombling...you are delusional....That is not a true representation of how things unfolded at all.

1)Do you know why were were out there?..Of course you think we just wanted keeps right...Wrong!!!! We wanted to have fun fights (like the day before), open field ones with a chance of at least SOME kills! All you gave us were high lvl guards, doors to hit and inc on every pull of them (or a sneak in and wait at lord zzzz). You even tried the old boring ALB tower defence before we ported, which again we ignored because its getting old. You need to take note the only keeps Rolfe actually cares about are ALB keeps. We tried to make good action in mid land after unsuccessful runs in hib, YOU made it all about keep defence, not us!

2)There are some other things you missed/choose to ignore:
Do you know what the average lvl of player was in the alb grps? Lets just ignore that as another excuse right...facts are irrelevant.

3)What lvl was bled again? What lvl were most the keep?...how many guards were on us on EVERY inc/push you gave us? But that just your tactics right...why not take advantage..Sure, but dont then complain you were outnumbered! You werent by much anyway even if you took the guards out the equation.

4)Only your grp and another roaming mid land...Nope not at all!! We were out numbered several times during the day..2fgm vs 3 fga ? Just no...there was more of you than that as the last INC we took part in showed us being heavily outnumbered once again.

5)We were not looking for keep fights anyway, we were looking for open field fights,we tried many times to entice you out, waiting in sight for long periods, but no!! We were even split up a lot! All you did was hug the keeps even when an even fight could be had! Its becoming very boring to keep playing into your hands for the stand at lord while you pb away and stun anything that comes up "tactics"...especially when you misuse the rams...we are bored and tired of it already.

6)Talking of hand holding...how many mids were out the day before to combat 3 alb grps fairly well setup (which only later made it to 6 not so well setup grps) Thats right 106!! Did your kobby hands get squished by a sweaty troll palm in that grand display of handholding? No we were not going for a relic btw

7)And lets go back to you easy mode comment. Yes you DID go to mid because it was easy mode (not matter how much you try to deny it, the only person you are fooling is yourself), as when you were on alb you admitted (to me personally) that you believe the ice wizard (albs only pber) is just not viable enough until much higher RR (and you were not prepared to do it) and was the reason you were not playing one anymore! You also admitted that alb had little reply to the lord room tactic you so like using other than zerg with sos etc! Now you complain about the zerg...

You keep on saying about handholding aswell, yet while you were back on alb you did nothing but just that, waiting all day for daddy split to come on! You never attempted to put your own 8 man grp together and remain dormant waiting for inv! You were also very sly in getting details from many of the BG leaders on how they made decisions during your short "comeback" to alb, all this just before going back to mid without saying anything. In hindsight its now clear that is all you really came back to do. You may fool yourself in thinking you are smart and clever for this, but really it was just a play on peoples opnenness and trust, which is just a weaselly and dishonest move at best!

Now is there anything else you want to try to over inflate your delusional ego with?

TLDR: Bombling is full of it.

First of all, thanks for your reply. I will not reply to everything since we seem to disagree on alot of things here. I will pick the ones i disagree with the most. if you feel like I am avoiding something very important feel free to repeat and ill get back to it.

1) Honestly if i uploaded a VOD of our groups run yesterday you would see us facing not a single 8v8 and instead just being ran over by 2-3 times our numbers since. While getting intell that emain is just as zergy. Hence this vent-post.
We use lordroom setups, rams, tower outside Sauvage to even the odds when we are outnumbered. We have never fought even numbers in the tower or lordroom, it is our go-to move when we dont feel like we stand a chance in the open vs supperiour numbers.

2) Sure, I know the struggle of the Alb bgs. 1 cleric per party, sub 50s even in the leader groups. But whos to blame for that, its noble of you to take in the alts and newcommers. But this has been the trend for half a year now that albs are having blue and greens in the BG. /shrug I ackowledge it but what can WE do about it?

3) I honestly have no idea about what level the guards were, or the keep. I dont pay attention to those factors. its pve, they can be mezzed. However I know and understand that point 2 from your side is important and this is a much bigger focus point for you guys. From our point of view though, we were 8 and made it inside a keep. outnumbered 3:1 and the enemy ran. Im sure if you try you can see from our point of view how that is disappointing, since we had no way to give you a fight in the open. Just like I am trying to see how its not appealing to fight an organized group within a high keep if you dont feel comfy with the people you bring.

4) I think we are talking pass eachother (why i tried to bring timestamps in my original post about the fights. Our group only run 2-3 hours in primetime each day so i dont know about previous action during the day, i do understand this affects the action and how zergy it is when we log on though. The fight i was talking about where we tried to be flexible and give albs a fight in the open was at Blendrake, after albs had left Bledmeer. The fight were Rolfe got caught and I emoted him /beckon to signal we wanted to fight. We only saw 6-8 Tilt members, and had a 8man group ourselves. So to me that is still only 2fgm vs the force you had (whom i judged to be 3fga at the time?)

5) Again we are having two very different views on the situation. You are more than welcome to come hang with us on TS and listen in one evening. We dont log on and go" oh lets go hide in a keep its going to be amazing" we roam for 90% of the time, and often face supperiour numbers who we often die to lol. or we roam and fight even numbers fight (we know our place in the foodchain what groups we can win against and who we often lose to, we still fight though)

6) Absolutly agree and my group can vouce for me when I say, that I hated that evening. We made 20k that evening and I had no fun what so ever. everything was largescale, in all the frontiers. And like bluesundays midgard show they have the bigger numbers when everyone bands together, an other reason why our group rarely take part in the Legacy BG or the German alliance BG. (who were in Emain fighting Hib bg yesterday btw)

7. And now for the good part First of all it impresses me how much people are feeling butthurt over me playing on midgard. While it is true that i still think Icewiz with Moc, purge and VP would be supperior bomber to Enchanter and SM. I came back to alb with a mindset to play smallerscale fights, why i made a theurgist and not an other wizard. I tried to get guildgroups running in WP4K and ended up running 3 total guild only groups on different evenings, so your argument about me not trying falls flat. However I could have done more, and wish I had searched wider for a fixed group since I dont care about results right away, only improvement.
And yes the CULTURE on midgard is easier to build groups, for some fecking reason. On alb people play what they want, and not what is needed and its easier to just join a BG and halfass the way through an rvr evening when you have to take no resonsability and just follow the BG leaders calls and complain after the fights from the backseat, and then rely on quantity over quality.

And let me just stop you right there when you call me sly about getting information. You might disagree with me and my actions, but I never did what you are implying. If anything I was one of the vocal ones trying to improve the sh'tshow and give us the best chance in fights. But then again, im just delusional right. You know me best.

And I would love to hear the arguments from Albs, why Midgard is easier. I acknoledge one dimensional playstyle have a skillceiling that is easier to reach. However with the worst set of RAs between the 3 realms (ichor and PA vs SoS, BoF, Soldiers vs GP, STT, TWF). Or is it still the higher RR arguement, heres a tip: Dont zerg keeps for 100rps each and stick to a few toons instead of rerolling all the time so you have the problem of sub 50s in the BG
Look what Hyper, passion or whatever they call themselves these days are doing. Alb has the tools, all it takes is a group. But maybe thats why all of you haters are so butthurt. You know I am right and truth hurts?

Sorry for the wall of text, guess the forum pvp is like ingame. It only comes in mass. I would love to have a chat on discord with you in a civil way, but I honestly have no idea who you are

If you want 8v8 you ll find 8v8.no need to play with keeps if you don't want to. Be honest to yourself

pweet wrote:If you want 8v8 you ll find 8v8.no need to play with keeps if you don't want to. Be honest to yourself

Was inside bledmeer for a total of 5mins. And that was the only keep we were inside yesterday, sorry.

pssst, he is talking about the arranged 8vs8 fight club, we are not invited to

holsten-knight wrote:pssst, he is talking about the arranged 8vs8 fight club, we are not invited to

1st RULE: You do not talk about 8v8 CLUB.
2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about 8v8 CLUB.
3rd RULE: If someone sits down, goes ld, or sees DG in clipping range the fight is over.
4th RULE: Only two grps to a fight.
5th RULE: One fight at a time.
6th RULE: No adds, no three ways, no wilson.
7th RULE: Fights will go on as long as they have to.
8th RULE: If this is your first night at 8v8 CLUB, contact *removed* for further instructions.

Dear Albs,

you have to have fun, like Wonshot wants you to have fun - otherwise you will be tortured with 1000 word posts of blablabla over and over again.

Or (!)

Don't feed the trolls !
viewtopic.php?f=151&t=44364

Oh no .. I fed him myself, but I'll prolly ignore any answer.

Ramiye wrote:Dear Albs,

you have to have fun, like Wonshot wants you to have fun - otherwise you will be tortured with 1000 word posts of blablabla over and over again.

Or (!)

Don't feed the trolls !
viewtopic.php?f=151&t=44364

Oh no .. I fed him myself, but I'll prolly ignore any answer.

I sometimes wonder if anyone reads those walls of text...

TLDR: more twisted facts and straw men by bombling.

1) Honestly if i uploaded a VOD of our groups run yesterday you would see us facing not a single 8v8 and instead just being ran over by 2-3 times our numbers since. While getting intell that emain is just as zergy. Hence this vent-post.
We use lordroom setups, rams, tower outside Sauvage to even the odds when we are outnumbered. We have never fought even numbers in the tower or lordroom, it is our go-to move when we dont feel like we stand a chance in the open vs supperiour numbers. .

We dont care for your 8v8 mentality...There are alb grps that do look for that...go find them instead of moaning at us for not playing to your style.
You were not that far out numbered no matter how much you try to say you were anyway. We simply chose not to play into your hands...deal with it!

2) Sure, I know the struggle of the Alb bgs. 1 cleric per party, sub 50s even in the leader groups. But whos to blame for that, its noble of you to take in the alts and newcommers. But this has been the trend for half a year now that albs are having blue and greens in the BG. /shrug I ackowledge it but what can WE do about it?

YOU were one of these sub 50's in some of the grp we took out! Even had someone in grp make a comments about it for which we stood up for you! You are being a damn hypocrite. What you could do is stop letting your ego get the better of you by boasting when you take them out. Maybe also STOP bloody moaning when they dont play the way they want you to (for you to farm, which really is all your post is!)

3) I honestly have no idea about what level the guards were, or the keep. I dont pay attention to those factors. its pve, they can be mezzed. However I know and understand that point 2 from your side is important and this is a much bigger focus point for you guys. From our point of view though, we were 8 and made it inside a keep. outnumbered 3:1 and the enemy ran. Im sure if you try you can see from our point of view how that is disappointing, since we had no way to give you a fight in the open. Just like I am trying to see how its not appealing to fight an organized group within a high keep if you dont feel comfy with the people you bring.

You know full well what lvl those guards were so stop pretending to be ignorant of it to fit your narrative! We hit the keeps to get some action and attention (from other mids/hibs not just you)! Rolfe did not care to take them really. Most the time we didnt even have rams because thats was not what we were after! We pulled off not because you slipped in so stop twisting things in your mind to suit that over grown ego of yours already! All you did was hug the keeps, fine...but dont go pretending our 2.5 grps of albs were scared to fight you! You chose not to engage us anywhere else, that was your choice, not the other way round.

4) I think we are talking pass eachother (why i tried to bring timestamps in my original post about the fights. Our group only run 2-3 hours in primetime each day so i dont know about previous action during the day, i do understand this affects the action and how zergy it is when we log on though. The fight i was talking about where we tried to be flexible and give albs a fight in the open was at Blendrake, after albs had left Bledmeer. The fight were Rolfe got caught and I emoted him /beckon to signal we wanted to fight. We only saw 6-8 Tilt members, and had a 8man group ourselves. So to me that is still only 2fgm vs the force you had (whom i judged to be 3fga at the time?)

You didnt give us an open field fight there...you were still hugging the keep! We were just trying to rez rolfe (not really fighting properly)..of which you just kept killing straight after. We resorted to release and regrp even! You really got to stop this twisting facts.

6) Absolutly agree and my group can vouce for me when I say, that I hated that evening. We made 20k that evening and I had no fun what so ever. everything was largescale, in all the frontiers. And like bluesundays midgard show they have the bigger numbers when everyone bands together, an other reason why our group rarely take part in the Legacy BG or the German alliance BG. (who were in Emain fighting Hib bg yesterday btw)

You sound like you are looking for 8v8, but it seems if that fails you just resort to trying to rp with the usual tactics, then get annoyed when we dont play into your hand. Its all we see you do most of the time, if it not a keep, its alb tower. We are just looking for good action. Dont blame us for superior numbers, especially when in reality you had enough to give a fair fight if just your 2 grps banded together.

7. And now for the good part First of all it impresses me how much people are feeling butthurt over me playing on midgard. While it is true that i still think Icewiz with Moc, purge and VP would be supperior bomber to Enchanter and SM. I came back to alb with a mindset to play smallerscale fights, why i made a theurgist and not an other wizard. I tried to get guildgroups running in WP4K and ended up running 3 total guild only groups on different evenings, so your argument about me not trying falls flat. However I could have done more, and wish I had searched wider for a fixed group since I dont care about results right away, only improvement.
And yes the CULTURE on midgard is easier to build groups, for some fecking reason. On alb people play what they want, and not what is needed and its easier to just join a BG and halfass the way through an rvr evening when you have to take no resonsability and just follow the BG leaders calls and complain after the fights from the backseat, and then rely on quantity over quality.

People are not butthurt you went to back to mid really! Thats just your ego talking again.It was the way in which you did it and how (as I mentioned before) the way you weaselly extracted tactics from BG leaders/guilds and were dishonest with your intentions, which you shortly left after without saying anything, even to those who thought they were close to you. You keep trying to deny it and twist it...but in reality thats is exactly what you did.

Its sure as hell is easier to build grps in mid, you got that right, but that is irrelevant, WE just try to play with what we have as it beats sitting and waiting for ideal grps, which are just not going to happen in alb most the time. You say its culture, I would say its just necessity to actually get things rolling. You would have a baron field to fight most of the time otherwise.

And let me just stop you right there when you call me sly about getting information. You might disagree with me and my actions, but I never did what you are implying. If anything I was one of the vocal ones trying to improve the sh'tshow and give us the best chance in fights. But then again, im just delusional right. You know me best

By going out as a sub 50 like you did? Is this not the same as the rest you have been moaning about now? By standing in CS waiting for an inv or split to come on? By refusing to play an ice wiz again because it would take too long to get relevant RR to become competitive vs the alternatives? Is it not hypocritical to blame others who have the same mindset now? If you are not delusional, you are being damn right dishonest and a hypocrite.

And I would love to hear the arguments from Albs, why Midgard is easier. I acknoledge one dimensional playstyle have a skillceiling that is easier to reach. However with the worst set of RAs between the 3 realms (ichor and PA vs SoS, BoF, Soldiers vs GP, STT, TWF). Or is it still the higher RR arguement, heres a tip: Dont zerg keeps for 100rps each and stick to a few toons instead of rerolling all the time so you have the problem of sub 50s in the BG

Irrelevant straw manning really. I never made an argument against unique RAs. You are the one trying to do that now..saying mid have the weaker ones. Is this you now making a pre-empt excuses? Whatever. Although to some extent I would not disagree, ichor being on a shorter timer than just about any other RA is not to be forgotten about. But who cares, that is still minor and irrelevant to what we were talking about. Dont try straw man me again thanks, it just highlights your dishonest.

You keep making it 1 dimensional, and then blame us for not biting.... You have other options, YOU chose not to take them! Stop blaming us! I didnt say MID is OP anyway! It is, however, easier to build optimal, or close to, grps in mid, as you have admitted yourself. Thats just how it is, we accept that. We just play with what we can as that it just how it is for us, but YOU keep whinge/moan/venting when you cant just farm us (and the only reason I can see you made the OP and is the only reason I am saying anything at all). You are the one making it a problem...we are just doing what we can/our own way. Maybe it would be better you just pipe down and stop that ego getting any bigger. Its not doing you any favors.

And I do I need to keep repeating myself...stop the twisting...we were NOT out for keeps that day really, YOU were the one hugging them. Dont complain at us for your choices. We also dont have to play to your style, we do as WE chose to, not how you want us to! You want 8v8...then go fight those ones you listed...dont complain at us for our alternative choice!