Heya, I just recently dinged 50 on my NS and started rvr-ing. I haven't played stealther since pre-Toa but some things are still fresh in my mind, I immediately noticed something being quite off.

The stealth detection of non stealthers is ridiculous. I've only rvr'd for about 15hs on my shade so far, yet I've been destealthed by Speed 6 groups auto attacking me (they had no idea of me being there in the first place) about 5 times already. That never happened on live. You could even just wait between the doors of a gate while a grp ran through you.

This also means you cannot EVER run destealthed to save time, because if a group sees you vanishing on cliprange, chances are they are going to find you. I've talked to other stealthers who confirm this being the case.


I'm not sure whether this is reportable, since I can't really provide any evidence for this not being the case on live back in the day other than my experience. However, I strongly suspect that stealth detection isn't calculated properly (like you having specced stealth isn't a factor or sth).


Maybe we could also get the opinion of someone doing the discovering instead of being the discovered explain their point of view.


/rant

You was attacked by pet or player?

Player attack, they don't know you are there, run past you with speed 6, see you, turn, attack you.

No, I am not talking about "pet-bug" which existed back in the day and is considered part of the game.

It feels like even non stealthers have detect hidden.

Do you have a composite stealth of 50?

sitting n 49 composite till RR up. At first I thought this might be the reason, but being seen out of speed 6 because of 1 point? And as I said, I had ppl with 50 composite confirm this.


Maybe everything will be fine once I hit rr up, just wanted to know whether other people noticed this too.

Was in Uth 1 times but I can't find this info any more, was a site explaning how stealth work in detail and one thing was written there is that a visible with ANY kind of speed up has 0 chance to see a stealther

Yes stealth does feel broken here. Group's seeing you way too easily like OP mentioned. The green mob's in Doden's (innocents) pop you any time you get close. Maybe they have see hidden like some of the DF mob's? Dunno. But as far as group's zooming by and noticing you in stealth so fast doesn't feel right.

On live servers back till 2011 when I quit it was possible to see a stealther while running by (or better nearly through) him with speed buff on. You will only see a very short popup of the red name and if the stealther keeps moving it is very unlikely that you find him but it is possible especially with very few possible places to run to e.g. inside a gate

iirc: Stealth detection is a bubble pulsing around your char and the detection range is dependend on your stealth level. There is also a base range if you have no stealth skill but that is very small (can test that on live with a stealther approaching a non-stealther). Could be that the "bubble" is too big for non-stealths here on Uthgard.

Seb wrote:Heya, I just recently dinged 50 on my NS and started rvr-ing. I haven't played stealther since pre-Toa but some things are still fresh in my mind, I immediately noticed something being quite off.

The stealth detection of non stealthers is ridiculous. I've only rvr'd for about 15hs on my shade so far, yet I've been destealthed by Speed 6 groups auto attacking me (they had no idea of me being there in the first place) about 5 times already. That never happened on live. You could even just wait between the doors of a gate while a grp ran through you.

This also means you cannot EVER run destealthed to save time, because if a group sees you vanishing on cliprange, chances are they are going to find you. I've talked to other stealthers who confirm this being the case.


I'm not sure whether this is reportable, since I can't really provide any evidence for this not being the case on live back in the day other than my experience. However, I strongly suspect that stealth detection isn't calculated properly (like you having specced stealth isn't a factor or sth).


Maybe we could also get the opinion of someone doing the discovering instead of being the discovered explain their point of view.


/rant

you are completely right, BUT before the loss of agro stealth change in 2005-2006, this is how it was! Had the exact same problem in OF as well, composite 50 stl and people could see you at cliprange. Also pets and mobs dont lose agro when you stealth, that is a BIG PITA but that is how it was in 1.65, pets would chase you from yggdra to apk in odins!

Already grabbed issue https://www2.uthgard.net/tracker/issue/3949/ regarding stealth some days ago.
Please let me check this. I am sure we will find something that could also affect player detection. We will see!

Expfighter wrote:

Seb wrote:Heya, I just recently dinged 50 on my NS and started rvr-ing. I haven't played stealther since pre-Toa but some things are still fresh in my mind, I immediately noticed something being quite off.

The stealth detection of non stealthers is ridiculous. I've only rvr'd for about 15hs on my shade so far, yet I've been destealthed by Speed 6 groups auto attacking me (they had no idea of me being there in the first place) about 5 times already. That never happened on live. You could even just wait between the doors of a gate while a grp ran through you.

This also means you cannot EVER run destealthed to save time, because if a group sees you vanishing on cliprange, chances are they are going to find you. I've talked to other stealthers who confirm this being the case.


I'm not sure whether this is reportable, since I can't really provide any evidence for this not being the case on live back in the day other than my experience. However, I strongly suspect that stealth detection isn't calculated properly (like you having specced stealth isn't a factor or sth).


Maybe we could also get the opinion of someone doing the discovering instead of being the discovered explain their point of view.


/rant

you are completely right, BUT before the loss of agro stealth change in 2005-2006, this is how it was! Had the exact same problem in OF as well, composite 50 stl and people could see you at cliprange. Also pets and mobs dont lose agro when you stealth, that is a BIG PITA but that is how it was in 1.65, pets would chase you from yggdra to apk in odins!

As I said, I am not talking about "pet bug". I had a rr8 infil pre-toa, so trust me when I say that I spent some time rvring.


Pet-bug is annoying, but it is part of the game this is a different issue altogether

Not sure if something is broken or not, but I can say from my own experience on Uth 2.0 that I rarely manage to unstealth a stealther despite mostly soloing without speed and almost exclusively fighting stealthers. This is the case even when I know they're coming and there's very little space to hide, like when I'm in the room above a milegate and the door opens with no one there. I don't think I've ever spotted the incoming stealther before they attack me.

Just got popped again by fg of mids out of stealth QQ

Any pets or other npcs nearby?

krycek wrote:Just got popped again by fg of mids out of stealth QQ

i had this happen in uppland in front of the bk on the side of the hill, a fg of hibs ran by at speed 6 and seemed to already have me targetted before the got to me, as soon as they got in dd range they attacked!

no other mobs or npc's around