so I decided to log onto Hib and play my favorite class the VW, speced him like a Defensive ninja - 50 total parry, dodger 4 moparry 3 mopain etc MCL

went down to CM and chain pulled like I thought it would, GODs Valewalkers are a fun class and a GREAT starter/farm class but I digress...

so I decided to roll a Ranger -my 2nd favorite class-and having and inf on Alb I figured that Hib gets the same DF items. NOPE!

there is a +4(or 5 I forget) DF cloak that you can get in alb but its not available in Hib. This allowed me to spec my inf to 41 total stealth as he had +9 from RR and items. No way a Ranger can afford to spec to 46 STEALTH to 'test RvR'.

'but jay you can still have a viable spec with 46 stealth' um NO you CANT.

sure there are named mobs that drop +stealth items but how can Hib test RVR when they have to gimp stealth or farm for a freggin drop JUST to get to RvR?

no wonder these Rangers have been either non-existent or I can see them from MILES away because they cant get their total stealth to 50!

how can we 'test' when the tools we have are lacking? oh and my great DF gear gave my Ranger 8% melee resists all the way down.. but hey, I was able to get my Cold heat and Body resists into the 20's! yay me!

The Devs simply do not understand Beta testing, in every MMO I've tested when late end game was being tested you got adequate gear to test-well adequately. Granted DF gear is better than nakid, but nakid RvR would be a better barometer-at least everyone's baseline is the same.

Solution is to give everyone Epic gear, put out items with resists on them and obscure skill lines-stealth, envenom, arb, light etc.
- rings 1 with +10 melee resists and one magic resist and another ring with 4 10% magic resists
- bracers with + to skill lines
- bracer with left over resists
- cloaks with magic lines, one with melee lines one with stealth/envenom
- belt with resists, one with spec lines etc

its not hard to add

The solution isnt begging them to give you epic armor but to do (and test) the epic quest, many (all of them?) are already implemented.

Having capped res isnt going to make a difference when it comes to testing, contrary to what many are saying.

Smilo wrote:The solution isnt begging them to give you epic armor but to do (and test) the epic quest, many (all of them?) are already implemented.

Having capped res isnt going to make a difference when it comes to testing, contrary to what many are saying.

um yes it will, there is no way Im taking a Ranger how to Rvr with 8 % melee resists and 35+4 stealth. its pointless. How can one 'test' end game RVR when on live Everyone will be in end game RvR gear? not DF crap.


No that's what the devs want us to do, spend hours farming for $$ just to test! they gave me 1 gold WHOOPIE! I can't purchase good arrows with them, so I have to purchase ****** arrows THEN Go farm JUST to make enough money to THEN either skill up my fletching or purchase arrows at a premium. How is that viable 'testing?' its a time sink and that's why last night US time the total population was under 100 hib had a TOTAL of 16 SIXTEEN people on!

my Valwalker has even lower melee resists and wont be going on to RvR. I'm done its pointless. I want to test 46 path but I CANT unless I run around with my main weapon skill in the teens.

You call it testing but you are just running Emain with your stealther.
Which is perfectly fine, its what im doing with my Sorc. Just dont pretend you need those resists capped to "test".
You need them to win incs against spellcrafted stealthers. Its not testing.

Smilo wrote:You call it testing but you are just running Emain with your stealther.
Which is perfectly fine, its what im doing with my Sorc. Just dont pretend you need those resists capped to "test".
You need them to win incs against spellcrafted stealthers. Its not testing.

AGAIN you didn't read.. how can a Ranger go out to RvR and 'test' by spending 46 points into stealth? how can I test viable specs with 46 spec points into Stealth? no one puts 46 into stealth EVER even at 41 stealth Im still gimping certain specs but at least I can get to 41 stealth and perhaps negate CD.

Its not about 'winning' I could care less. My initial post is still viable, Alb gets an item that Hib doesn't get and immediately creates a Stealth advantage. Scouts only need to spec 41 stealth and it doesn't gimp them because they only have 4 spec lines to worry about- Rangers have 5, Shades have 5. Infs get more spec points so putting 41 into stealth doesn't hit them that hard.

not sure if this is available on hib yet....

http://web.archive.org/web/20031111112247/http://camelot.allakhazam.com/item.html?citem=10174

+4 stealth cloak you can quest for; no freebee though.

Smilo wrote:You call it testing but you are just running Emain with your stealther.
Which is perfectly fine, its what im doing with my Sorc. Just dont pretend you need those resists capped to "test".
You need them to win incs against spellcrafted stealthers. Its not testing.

If the devs asked you test RvR and their version of testing was, as we know it, killing each other and capturing keeps... going to emain would be a form of testing. It really doesn't matter how you slice it or what the reasoning behind their refusal to implement static stats/resists--it equates to laziness.

An example is the thread started about earthlords, had he been in equal gear as everyone else and the sample size been the 2-3 individuals next to him and they also noticed a large deviation in their damage: oh, a problem! It's not about craving RvR so you're begging for epics/spellcrafted gear, it's about having enough common sense to know it's a good idea to have everyone on equal footing in a testing environment.

Wasted breath I suppose and so... we wait.

if you give this kid a +4 stealth cloak he will just cry about something else

cheese01551 wrote:if you give this kid a +4 stealth cloak he will just cry about something else

I currently play a ranger. It was a struggle getting to 50 stealth. I got lucky with some low level drops and found some items on the merchant (I had cash as I leveled from 30 to 35 for the BG)

Only thing i can tell you is check merchants but I'm sure they are tapped out of stealther stuff. There are some OTDs that can help..

http://camelot.allakhazam.com/quests.html?cquest=272

http://camelot.allakhazam.com/quests.html?cquest=245

Those two items will at least get you +4 stealth

Be warned, you will probably not be happy with the ranger even if you have +15 stealth. Archers just do not do very well. I do not know if it is just the patch level or some code issue. Maybe if you can get some MP 100 qu weapons but even on cloth casters with my full pathfinding buffs and high bow spec It takes 4 - 5 shots to kill them and you are never gonna get that many shots off before they either run out of range or QC you down. Don't even bother trying to attack any other class. You barely scratch them. Maybe if you can catch people AFK or already almost dead...that is what I do...oh and the RAs don't work either (issues reported)

"Be warned, you will probably not be happy with the ranger even if you have +15 stealth. Archers just do not do very well. I do not know if it is just the patch level or some code issue."

I can answer that for you and so can anyone who played a ranged stealther on 1.65. They sucked. They had 3 purposes on live at this patch settings:

1. True Sight- On live the average player seldom ran solo. So a bunch of assassins would group 2-3 ranged stealthers so every 10 minutes or so one of them could pop true sight. This will not work as well on Uthgard due to the low population and the fact that other than Black Adders and a handful of others, most stealthers here prefer solo play. Sure, some did play solo but solo on live is WAY different than here. Solo on live you could farm all over the frontiers and find people. Solo on Uthgard is going to AMG/MMG and waiting for other solo's.

2. Scouting- Mythic actually gave archers camo just so they could perform scouting missions without getting raped by assassins all the damn time. Once again, in a high population server it served a vital role to have a player telling you what the enemy was doing. Not so much on Uthgard where there may only be 10 people actually out RvR'ing.

3. Ranged Damage on casters and healers- Ranged stealthers on classic live were meant to be the rock to the scissors of casters/healers. They were supposed to do heavy damage to light armored non mele units. On live it was never a problem to do 800-1k dmg on a crit shot. Sure, some of that might have been people not fully capped, but dmg as a whole on bow has always been lower here then on live.

Now you have a setting where the first 2 things listed don't carry over on a low population server like Uthgard and the third has always been broke here. The third was not a problem before because with New Ra's ranged stealthers (at least rangers and hunters) could mix their mele and bow as well as their RA's to have a chance. Welcome to being nothing more than a TS bot that is barely ever used or easy rp's for any assassin now.

RonELuvv wrote: Welcome to being nothing more than a TS bot that is barely ever used or easy rp's for any assassin now.

Can't even do that now...

https://uthgard.org/tracker/issue/2502/ ... s_intended

Damn, ranged stealthers been getting reemed in the arse without even any lube.

Me and someone else tested it in closed beta and it worked flawlessly. Not sure how they broke it now.