Why people usually saying at low ranks inf >ns and ns > inf at high ranks ?

infi has a better race choice and more skillpoints + 9sec stun from rr1 on.

NS can catch up the less skillpoints with the +skill from rr and has very good but expensive ras. Both come with higher rr where the ns can catch up to the infi and (maybe) becomes superior.

You think about viper ? This ra which double lifebane for 30 sec but only every 30 mins ?
Or you think about AP which is expensive but allow plate absorb every 15 mins ?

It seems OP but AP can be kited with snare+restealth while 1 min du ration or even vanished till effect is done.

Wild arcana ? 5%crit chance on all poisons with Aug acuity2 which are purely lost stats ?

Concerning passives, an inf could allow himself to have higher dodger/mop since MoA seems huge investment for a small effect on paper (my only opinion, i would more invest on duallist reflex instead).

Lets compare and make rrk 7 RA setup for inf and NS, this means 60 pts.
What would you choose for each class and in which order ?

Lets paper daoc people, it is sunday ^^

Oh come on, share some science !

Elfs/Lurikeens look way better and you can reg RAs by walking to amg more efficiently.

Lol celteen.
Epic answer ^^

Celteen wrote:Elfs/Lurikeens look way better and you can reg RAs by walking to amg more efficiently.

Aahahahaha, glorious. But let's not even joke about lurikeens looking good! I mean ok, female lurikeens are kinda cute but...male lurikeens look like miniature child molesters, especially the ones with the bald spot. Disgusting.

If you appreciate a post hit the like button! Quoting is not enough!

Ok but answer seriously about the original post !

yes, because of the RAs

With active ras up Ns > Inf
No active ras up Inf>Ns

Autarch wrote:Ok but answer seriously about the original post !

If the NS has avoidance of pain 2-3 you will loose to him every 15min. so i d say NS is stronger with decent RR.
And you cant cite from a NS with AP running, he will just snare you as well so you wont be able to kite away.
If infi uses vanish, thats a 30min RA vs a 15min RA just to not loose a fight and sneaking away.

Thx for replies, i would like to push it further.
Lets take rrk 7 for both NS and inf.
How would you build each one ? That s 60 pts.
Try to put RA choice regarding priority.

As NS i would be tempted to rush AP 2 first.
That s 19 pts
Then dodger 2 : 19+8 = 27 pts
Purge in addition : 37 pts
AP 3 : 47 pts
Mop 3 : 61 pts

Still no wild arcana nor viper

As inf i would start with dodger 2 : 8 pts
Vanish so we are at 18 pts
Then purge which leads to 28 pts.
Mop 3 + dualist reflex 3 and score rises to 52 pts
Dodger 3 and i reach 58 pts


I m sure you guys have better to offer.

Ps : i m not convinced at all about Mastery of arms. It is REALLY a huge amount of points for a tiny win of melee speed regarding calculator

what more do u want?

u cant beat a NS with AP3+Purge up as infi

There is no secret recipe behind it, that's the whole reason everyone say high rr NS > infi.

So it would be wise to take first AP 2 then purge then AP 3 ?
After that, dodger 2.

From this point it seems a matter of taste to choose viper, Wild Arcana, Mop, duallist reflex