Thinking about running this , is there any world where we can out play mid and win consistently at this patch level?

Thinking:

bard/bard/druid/druid/hero/bm/ light/mana eld/ fill

Thoughts/criticism welcome!

Why would u ever run a mana eld in a tank group ?

Toxiz wrote:Why would u ever run a mana eld in a tank group ?

Was a mistype, sorry meant mana chanter. More of a support roll and assist dps when needed. They will also be needed @ 50 for farming almost anything in CF and focus pulling.

Toxiz wrote:Why would u ever run a mana eld in a tank group ?

He actually says Mana Chanter.. which would be an even worse choice

Bard , Druid, Druid, Hero, BM, BM, BM/Hero, Light Eld -- would be my choice I think.

Falken wrote:is there any world where we can out play mid and win consistently at this patch level?

LoL?

A real hib tanker is about as close to a counter to a mid tank group as you can get on this patch. You will still lose fights to some zerker/savage spike but overall it is the most consistent thing you can field vs mid tanker.

Most people who post here or who are playing the beta are ****** awful at daoc, so of course they're going to lose to the mid tank groups running around. If you can't stop a zerker on speed 6 from running into your group and killing something on inc....you're going to lose no matter what setup you're running.

4-5 natty hib tank groups (I prefer 5) are very good vs mid tankers, the problem though is that your group has to actually be good and have half your people who actually want to play boring ass druid/warden slots.

That's the biggest pitfall for me, is getting enough top tier players to commit to playing those support classes that make the hib tanker work as those slots are 10x more boring in a hib tank group than in hib hybrid.

Also running a solo caster in that group makes it MUCH weaker vs a full mid tanker.

There is no top tier on a daoc freeshard

Enchanter sounds bad, a mana/light utility eld sounds great. Not sure why youd question that. Nearsight and disease and snare nukes etc. Utility eld seems best option to me

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warden ? maybe ?

Also running a solo caster in that group makes it MUCH weaker vs a full mid tanker.

If by weaker you mean has less hp and worse armour then sure, weaker.

The fact that the solo caster carries some of the most OP spells this patch has to offer is something else tho. NS, Dis, casted snare, v.high dmg spec line nuke, back-up mez, casted stun. . . I dont need to tell you what an eld does. But hey, I did anyway

As far as warden goes, I'm not so keen. Can work sure, but personally I'd take the eld and a 2nd hero.

No that is 100% wrong in the context that the OP is asking about.

Vs a full mid tank group, a solo hib caster is a huge liability. It allows for he mids to play perfectly since they don't need to formulate any strategy to stick to. Just pile damage into a squishy target with no defense and never let it do anything. You don't even have to interrupt the druids at this point, you can leave them open to heal and it won't matter because they won't be able to keep the eld up anyway.

The benefits that an eld brings to a group is much more useful vs caster groups, not tank groups.

Full tank group vs full tank group, having pbt vs not having it is a huge deal. If you don't understand why, I'm not really surprised since like I said, most people don't know ****** about daoc (especially this patch level) to begin with.

Top wrote:Also running a solo caster in that group makes it MUCH weaker vs a full mid tanker.

running mid tanker without supp rm is also fail. why would running light eld make your group weaker? if the one playing the caster is not completely retarded it makes the tank group a lot stronger, both on hib and mid.

pweet wrote:There is no top tier on a daoc freeshard

So, what you are saying that it doesn't matter because live is apparently more competitive? Where they are destroying RvR all together...?

Top wrote:No that is 100% wrong in the context that the OP is asking about.

Vs a full mid tank group, a solo hib caster is a huge liability. It allows for he mids to play perfectly since they don't need to formulate any strategy to stick to. Just pile damage into a squishy target with no defense and never let it do anything. You don't even have to interrupt the druids at this point, you can leave them open to heal and it won't matter because they won't be able to keep the eld up anyway.

The benefits that an eld brings to a group is much more useful vs caster groups, not tank groups.

Full tank group vs full tank group, having pbt vs not having it is a huge deal. If you don't understand why, I'm not really surprised since like I said, most people don't know ****** about daoc (especially this patch level) to begin with.

You seem to assume that the eld will just stand there and allow the mid tank to kill it. 2x hero can peel a mid tank train pretty well. As can BMs. An eld on inc vs mids will always kite 1st with druid and hero. After peeling, overextended mids tend to die pretty quick when the healers are CCd, have NS or are being rupted by bard/druid.
Its funny that you say most people dont know sh*t about daoc when you think that and eld is only decent in a caster setup. Have you ever ran a dark/supp RM in mid group before? /sigh

i dont get Top's point either... in his first post he states:

"If you can't stop a zerker on speed 6 from running into your group and killing something on inc....you're going to lose no matter what setup you're running."

and then proceeds to tell us how bad a light eld is assuming it will just sit down on inc getting rolled. maybe because he doesnt know ***** about how to play casters

Top wrote:No that is 100% wrong in the context that the OP is asking about.

Vs a full mid tank group, a solo hib caster is a huge liability. It allows for he mids to play perfectly since they don't need to formulate any strategy to stick to. Just pile damage into a squishy target with no defense and never let it do anything. You don't even have to interrupt the druids at this point, you can leave them open to heal and it won't matter because they won't be able to keep the eld up anyway.

The benefits that an eld brings to a group is much more useful vs caster groups, not tank groups.

Full tank group vs full tank group, having pbt vs not having it is a huge deal. If you don't understand why, I'm not really surprised since like I said, most people don't know ****** about daoc (especially this patch level) to begin with.

solo caster can also make it easier to predict where they will focus first and play around it... If this person gets focused 99% of the time then they just kite their life away and all it takes is the tanks to let him get 1-2 casts off between NS/disease and their job is a success with avoiding damage and fulfilling their objective(s)

I can understand why pbt is big against tank groups, but lack of shield also leaves wardens in an interesting limbo where they are just another support, could replace a bard in theory.