It has really been a lot of fun fighting for Keeps mainly in Midgard and Albion the last few weeks with the mids mostly. I know hibs have the population but we seldom see more than a fg of Hibs and mids can have as many as 6 fg's. Our BG usually runs between 1.5 grps to 3grps. Some of the fights have been truly EPIC like the fight yesterday at dun Bolg that lasted for a good 10mins. Its nice to have a solid option for RvR other than Emain 8v8 and I hope this continues which brings me to my next point.

Claiming keeps and upgrading.
Our alliance has tried to keep keeps claimed and upgraded as incentive for keep taking which generates the keep RvR we have been enjoying but Mids have not been returning the favor, so what has been happening is the mid bg with 3-4 groups comes through alb and takes keeps that are claimed,upgraded and all get nice rp's and our alb smaller bg fights them and usually loses and its still fun and sometimes we take and upgrade keeps two or three times a day BUT the mids never upgrade even if they do claim. So things have become to uneven. Mids have enjoyed not only outnumbering us every day but have gotten fat rp's taking the keeps we claim and upgrade while not claiming/upgrading any keeps to return the favor.
So I want the Mids to understand that if they don't start claiming and upgrading that we will stop and the action will slow down. It cost nothing to claim and Upgrade a keep to level 4 but a few BP's and the result is more people out in the frontiers to fight.

I would also like to see more hibs out joining the fight !! we would love to see some nice 3 way battles.

cheers
and see you in the Frontiers

Cruell wrote:Mids have enjoyed not only outnumbering us every day but have gotten fat rp's taking the keeps we claim and upgrade while not claiming/upgrading any keeps to return the favor.
So I want the Mids to understand that if they don't start claiming and upgrading that we will stop and the action will slow down.

As long as ppl think like "no more enemies out => we won!" they won't start thinking about giving their enemies fun, too

yes this server is reminding me of great memories from gaheris

I think its more along the lines of ..." Dont claim and upgrade cause we dont want to give them any extra RP's but hey look lets go take that next upgraded keep and get those fat RP's.""

All Mids do is take claimed/upgraded keeps and replace them with unclaimed keeps.

Ino wrote:keep sieges are so much fun!
with old keep layout you have so many possibilities to defend it!
and those ranged guards shooting through everything....

so much fun...

well actually the vast majority of the fights take place outside the keeps either in open field or hitting someone when they are on the doors. very few actually involve defending the keep itself and sieges.
The claimed and upgraded keeps mostly act like bait to get people out in the frontiers.

Our guild dont upgrade keeps actually any more because mids/hibs raid the upgraded keeps after the most enemys are inside bed. Easy rps without defenders .. We dont want to feed this playstyle with extra bonus rps.

Its funny with mid raid zerg .. but its not funny if they call for help .. like DG.

If they start a 3fg zerg and get beated by 2 fgs its just too sweet that they call for DG ... It looks like midgard cant to anything with the wannebe DG guild ...

On a action a reaction is following ... Thats all...

Austerim wrote:All Mids do is take claimed/upgraded keeps and replace them with unclaimed keeps.

this is the truth ...

Heartace wrote:Our guild dont upgrade keeps actually any more because mids/hibs raid the upgraded keeps after the most enemys are inside bed. Easy rps without defenders .. We dont want to feed this playstyle with extra bonus rps.

Its funny with mid raid zerg .. but its not funny if they call for help .. like DG.

If they start a 3fg zerg and get beated by 2 fgs its just too sweet that they call for DG ... It looks like midgard cant to anything with the wannebe DG guild ...

On a action a reaction is following ... Thats all...

Hibs at least reclaim the keeps (usually), the same can't be said for Mids.

Cruell wrote:...It cost nothing to claim and Upgrade a keep to level 4 but a few BP's and the result is more people out in the frontiers to fight...

Heartace wrote:Our guild dont upgrade keeps actually any more because mids/hibs raid the upgraded keeps after the most enemys are inside bed. Easy rps without defenders .. We dont want to feed this playstyle with extra bonus rps...

you do realise that the majority of people playing mid actually play hib and alb as well?

Im constantly being reminded that this server is too small to support "realm pride" and people only playing your own realm so blaming those "mids" is pointless.

Cruell wrote:I think its more along the lines of ..." Dont claim and upgrade cause we dont want to give them any extra RP's but hey look lets go take that next upgraded keep and get those fat RP's.""

cummon, we are takin all the keeps. sure we are lucky if its upgraded, but we dont ignore the unclaimed ones.

problem with upgrading keep and gates is, they take it when we are sleeping (and we aint goin to bed early i can tell u)

but funny how u lost most fights from ur perspective. from mine it looked like we lost most fights

i heard fensalir is tasty btw... ure not interested in raiding it?

maybe u should care less if the opponent gets more rps if the keep is upgraded and start to think of the consequences. if ur enemies upgrade their keep u get more rps as well. no matter if doors are upgraded or keep is defed.

I used to take the time upgrading doors to 10 and keeps to 7. It does generate some action but the moment I log to sleep or go to class it gets swipped. Nearly everyday at 4am EST I found Dottomettalo running a FG or Zerg and snatching every keep out there. I really don't understand how someone could build such a force at an odd hour, I can barely manage to make 1 FG to counter em'.

It's just not even worth the time and money to upgrade doors. There is no reason to upgrade the keep if you do not upgrade the doors as well. On average I would manage to gather a full group to fight the offenders in the time it takes the attackers to bring the first door down. It's essential to upgrade the doors if you plan to defend keeps in time to catch the enemies.

These are the main issues I find . . .

1) I don't think the average players is even aware of the Warmap feature of the Uthgard herald. I'm constantly running around playing "Fire Fighter". Always showing up to keeps, even enemy keeps, to hopefully douse the flames. As for the moments I actually take a keep, nobody incs me. . .

2) The time and cash it takes to upgrade doors. Nobody wants to sit there and dump gold on these fortresses if players are not defending it, it's only viable to do so on "main" keeps that defenders have easy access to defend from. As stated before, there is no reason to upgrade the keep without upgrading doors. The higher level doors are essential for players to arrive at these keeps to defend them, if they are not upgraded players most likely will not make it. Thus offering a free RP bonus to whoever takes it.
- I think the best solution to this is to change the Upgrading system to the newer live system. Where the doors automatically upgrade with the keeps.

3) "We don't want the enemies to gain RP's" mindset of course.

4) I really don't understand why players do not at least claim the keep structure and leave it lvl 1 so guilds at least know if there is inc.


( I apologize if I appear to be rambling, hopefully I got the "jist" of this forum discussion. I've been up late ^^)