Zarkor wrote:

borog wrote:quitting is just a failure to adapt.

Roflmao. Nope.

It's realising when things start to become a waste of time.

Nope, Borog was right in this post. So far there has yet to be a game changer in the changes. Barrell change? When on classic was there ever barrels except a BUG on Euro server that allowed it? Hastner change? There were never hastner in the patch setting that Blue has stated 50 million times that he is going for. PA damage change... thats laughable. Any assasin who gets upset because they can no longer abuse a bugged ability has no sympathy from me. All I hear is QQ's and complaints. "I'm deleting my toon because I dont like change..." Almost every single one of the above changes was in response to threads posted here by us the players.

90% of the changes were either fixxes or things that have never went with the setting patch the GM's have been aiming for. None of them are gamebreaker changes and most good players will adapt and learn to play with the tweaks to the current settings. I hate to agree with Baman on anything, but he's right. Those that still want to run fully buffed can, its just going to take some effort, and the GM's knew that only a handful of people would actually go the extra step.

Thread for why buff barrells neededs a change: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=26465&start=60&hilit=barrel+limit

Thread for why PA damage needed FIXXED: viewtopic.php?t=25013

Thread for why we went from Agramon to OF: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=10985

They stated they removed hastners since A) it wasnt 1.69 live like and B) it devalued the speed from classe with speed. Both are perfectly viable reasons why to remove them.

People that say that the GM's dont listen to the community are flat out idiots. It sounds to me like the problem is 90% of the time the community is not listening to the GM's. They have never once hid the fact that they are trying to come as close as possible to achieving a server state of patch 1.69. Yes, there is custom stuff that is post 1.69 and at any given point that could be removed. They have stated this countless times. Zarkor, you like so many others here called for change and when you get it then you complain and turn it back on the GM's. I've asked you countless times to defend yout "OF will be better for this server then Agramon" post that pushed for a change to OF. You never back it up. Yet, since we have had OF for 2+ years I have heard you say that you wished we had keep port systems as well as making keep fights more dynamic (both NF and Agramon had). In other words your a hypocrite like most on these forums are.

I wish that those who would delete there toons would not and would stay and play, but flat out, if you dont like it here then there is the door. Dont let it hit you on the way out. No reason to come on looking for a pitty party for you because you are deleting your toon. Tell the ones that need to know in game and move on. If you think a few people posting that they are leaving is going to make the GM's change there minds then you are sadly mistaken. Also, Zarkor, for sombody who thinks the GM's do such a bad job on this server you spend an awful lot of time trolling here. Why dont you do as some others and delete your toons and move onto another game instead of complaining here 24/7?

Edit: Before sombody points out that I dont mind because I play an op'd ranger, I'd like to point out that I have pushed and helped fix numerous bugs for that class that gave rangers an even more unfair advantage. Volley not expending arrows, not coming unstealthed when shooting, and critting on crit shots to name a few. I am also 100% in support of the change that put rangers and ns's on a lower growth rate for the sdie chain on celtic duel. These are bugs (like PA dmg) that need to be fixxed.

Someone who understood whats going on.

To prevent further flamewars and another wall of text from Zarkor => /locked