Ok, I had to get this out there after the "Bioshock" post got locked. Why do you all make it seem like RvR is dying on Uthgard? You all paint this horrible scene out there when in reality the RvR is almost the EXACT same from when I started 1 year and 8 months ago as it is now. I'm not saying that it couldnt improve, but I would say 99.9% of the issues with RvR are community related and not GM related. Zarkor, you talk about all these solutions and how easy it would be for you to fix these problems, but you dont run a server. You dont donate your time to this server, and I NEVER see you out in RvR. You want to know the easiest way to improve RvR? GET OUT AND DO RVR!! It really is that simple. All of you complaining about how "elite" 8 man's trash on you for zerging, SO WHAT! Ignore them. You cant please everyone.

For all the complaining we all do we never seem to want to take responsibility for our own problems. Defense penetrations issues, damage varience issues, LOS issues, and any of the other tons of minor and major bugs this server has is what the GM's are focussed on and what they should be focussed on. How the community RvR's is OUR issue, not theirs. Everyone thinks they have the perfect answer to solve the RvR problem on Uthgard, but really what they mean is they found a way to get everyone to RvR the way THEY think it should be done. 8 man teams think everyone should 8 man, small mans think small man is the way to go, solo's think their way is the way, and zergs think the same. The fact is none are the "right" way to do this. The reason it was good on live was because everyone went out and RvR'd. You had a little bit of all of the above and here everyone thinks you should be limited to just one or maybe 2 ways.

Simple. If you want to improve RvR all you have to do is have some patience and perserverence and go out and do RvR. The rest will take care of itself, and please quit making it seem like its a GM issue when it most certainly is not. If you go out and RvR the way you enjoy and dont worry about what others say or think the rest of the server will adapt and adjust.

the elitist vs zerg debate always amuses me. having played both sides, I can understand the rustration of all parties, but you really have to take a step back and look at this from 10,000 feet.

the elitists represent the 1%:
- they are a major factor in the swing of action, but population wise they are nothing
- they feed on the 99%. without baddies to farm, they all log and complain about there bing "no action"

the simple fact of the amtter is, that unless they want to duel eachother and face bans, the elitists need the zergers. weve all seen what happens (in other games and on other servers) when the game caters too strongly towards the elitists. the fodder all quits, and then the elitists move on to a new game. and you are left with nothing. For this very reason, we can safely predict a massive failure of the new pvp server once the fodder players quit out of frustration.

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But dont the zergers need the elitists?

well, not really. the sheep are more than happy hunting other sheep.

the trick here is that the zergers seem to lack any organization or motivation without being herded. the elitist groups do a good job at herding.

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conclusion: despite the hate between them, the elitists need the zergers, and the zergers need the elitists.

Well put

So, any ideas as to how to put more cowboys, or rather how to motivate the cowboys to play their part?

Matthew 9:36 wrote:When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

To me the only thing that will get people out to RvR is people going out there. As it stands more people like to PvE or do BG's because that is where the majority of action is. If more and more people said, "Screw it, I'm going out and doing frontier RvR all night and I dont care if I lose or win I'm going to stick with it..." and they did that then more people would come, and more would come, and it would snowball from there. Instead, everyone complains that they want insta ports for faster action, they want gaurd missions eliminated to force people to do real RvR, and any number of other "solutions" to get people to RvR. The fact is that only way to change the attitude is to have everyone start playing.

Up until about a month ago, I almost never saw Mid stealthers come out. Every once in awhile a solo would come up to AMG and it was usually either Seyah, Madinna, or Stinkebart, but other then that nobody every showed up. About 1-1.5 months ago a group of about 2-3 mid stealthers started showing up. Then after a week or 2 they got to be 4-5, and last week when I seen them out there it was 6 of them together. So why all of a sudden a surge in Mid stealthers? The reason was that a few of them said they didnt care what others told them. They were going to go out and have some fun win or lose. They came out, and then after they did it for a bit a few more showed up. The same applied to this. As long as everyone wants to sit back and point fingers and lay blame on others, instead of taking power into their own hands, the problem will never get better.

Also, the RvR situation is not the best on this server, but it is also still very fun and quite playable even at it's current state. Yes, you can have some issues with either too much inc or too little inc, but that even existed on live. I think people forget about the rough parts of live.

RonELuvv it is obvious you see this game only from stealther perspective.
This quote says it all

RonELuvv wrote:BM's also get PD- It's just not spec'd that much on BM's since they need other things like charge, determination, purge, and mastery of pain.

Don't give me this sh!t. I've probably spent more time and effort into this issue than the entire staff combined. I PLAY(ed) RvR for on Uthgard for years. In GGs, solo, smallman, PuGs, even zergs. Every- ****** -thing. I've written walls of text that make the Chinese Wall look like a miniature AMG. Analysing, argumenting, questioning every single aspect of why it doesn't work properly and what can be done about it.

The biggest myth is that you say "people just have to go out". Well guess what, that argument has been used since the dawn of time and everything has been tried in its favor. In the long run, it just doesn't work. AT ALL. It's the setting that eventually attracts or sets off new/casual players. Nothing else.



Oh and PS, I actually want the best for this server, believe it or not. I'm just frustrated by how things have been mismanaged here for years now. It's pathetic. Almost as pathetic as the Belgian government.



Peace.

PS: I wrote a wall-o-text as a reply, but my internet collapsed making me lose the entire thing so cba to write it all over again.
PPS: bawww is actually right. Sadly.

@ Bawwww- I get it, I made a mistake and said BM's had access to PD when they dont. I made a mistake, sue me. I have never once tried to come off that my main is anything but a ranger. There was never any doubt about that and you didnt need to bring up some post of mine to prove that. Yes, I play a stealther because thats what I wanted to do on this server. I made an elf, hybrid, non-auto train ranger and was told I was an idiot for it. From 4L2 till mid 6L it sucked, but I kept at it and now i'm 8L1. It takes time, perserverence, and patience to get ANY toon from 4L2 up to higher RR's. They dont come over night. Not for stealthers and not for Visi's. Also, just because a stealther is my main does not mean that I have never played visi RvR and that I dont have an opinion on the matter.

@ Zarkor- Trust me, I know how much you have wrote on this forum. I've ready probably 80% of it. What bothers me is the way you come off on your writings. Yah, everything seems so clear to you, because they are changes YOU want made. Also, you can say all you want about how they would or would not work, but you honestly dont know. They could be the worst changes ever. I seem to remember on live having plenty of action w/out insta ports and playing on Old Frontier maps. Also, I'm sure you want what is best for the server, and I even like alot of your suggestions, but you can rant all you want... IT IS NOT YOUR SERVER!! It makes no difference what YOU think should be done. So instead of writing walls of text about how to "fix" it how about instead you play with what you got and try and make it work. Also, you said about 8 months ago in one of your rants that this server was on its way down and it was going to have nobody on it. 8 months later the population is the same. The RvR is the same. Nothing has changed.

Yes, RvR could be better, but the only way we (as players) have to improve the current RvR is by going out and doing what we want. If you like Zerg's then zerg away. Other realms will follow suite eventually. Same goes for 8 man. If you really want to 8 man and there is a zerg roaming in Emain then go to another zone. If you really want solo action then do it. Sitting around and writing about why its not working fixes nothing. Classic live had almost the exact same settings we do (minus a few things here and there) and they never had problems with getting action. Also, they did have very similiar arguments on the Herald. Some wanted fair 1 vs 1's, others wanted total war, some wanted 8 vs 8, some wanted small man, some wanted zerg. Lets not make it seem like this is/was an Uthgard issue.

The state of RvR on Uthgard is ENTIRELY an Uthgard issue. When I say the state of RvR I mean the fact that RvRing outside primetime will get you a lot of walking and little to no action. It has been like this for years, it has NEVER been like this on live servers. I have seen freeshards with ten times smaller server population than uthgard but they had ten times more RvR. Sure some were designed to bring you the so called "FAST FOOD RVR", but it's still shameful that RvR on their servers was so much better than on Uthgard considering the population. The only reason for Uthgard to not have "FAST FOOD RVR" is it's huge playerbase compared to other freeshards, but that makes no sense when majority of that playerbase (and when I say majority I mean like 70-80%) is rerolling characters for BGs or doing their 158th Tajendi run. They won't change, and why should they? So they could stand on a pad waiting for an npc to bring them to the start of their path to almost certain death? Then Rinse and repeat that same thing for couple of hours a day. That's not fun. BGs and PvE are more appealing. Why should they come out if there is no incentive for them to come out?

Simply put Uthgard RvR should be reorganized in one of two ways:
1. People who hang around in BGs and PvE (casuals, people who like smallman action, people who simply like PvE...) should get some incentive to get to RvR
or
2. RvR should be reorganized so that it fits the actual number of players that are RvRing (20-30%)

RonELuvv wrote:It makes no difference what YOU think should be done ... play with what you got and try and make it work.

Ahh, the classic "your opinion doesn't matter, play with the toys you're given and stfu" rant. Glad you vote democracy and freedom of speech, bro.

I wish someday people would actually realise what they are saying. You do know that you are addressing an issue here too, right? You do know that you also are trying to figure out how to deal with it, yet you tell other players to basicly stfu and stop giving 2 sh!ts about it? Why would anyone care whether RvRing on a DAoC server is actually enjoyable, right?

Why are you even here if we're not supposed to comment in the first place? To try and illegitimise the arguments of someone who's actually coming to the point because you "don't like the way he says it"?

Please...

I'm open for valid arguments concerning the problem whenever they arise...

RonELuvv wrote:Also, you said about 8 months ago in one of your rants that this server was on its way down and it was going to have nobody on it. 8 months later the population is the same. The RvR is the same. Nothing has changed.

Seriously though, the only reason Uthgard has this amount of players still is because of A) the stability and B) the monopoly on a viable Classic DAoC server.

IF a worthy competitor would enter the markets, be it either another decent, trustworthy server or another game comparable to DAoC's glory days, this server WILL rot to death if nothing fundamentally changes around here.

An exact date is quite hard to put on that, don't you think?

bawww wrote:Simply put Uthgard RvR should be reorganized in one of two ways:
1. People who hang around in BGs and PvE (casuals, people who like smallman action, people who simply like PvE...) should get some incentive to get to RvR
or
2. RvR should be reorganized so that it fits the actual number of players that are RvRing (20-30%)

Quoted for truth. I don't even really care about the solutions as long as these issues are addressed. Then again, this is pretty much what I've been saying all along. Whether or not my solutions would actually work is indeed uncertain, but seriously though, I've yet to see others bring forward solid, worked out solutions...

ok

How can I donate?

Edit:
Oh, sorry, thought this was the Argain forum.

roneluvv, please, before u participate in or even start RvR discussions, give us ur ingame identity.
tbh. even if u would actually be an active rvr player (which i doubt) u simply lack of knowledge about this game and server

Bloodwyne pls before you post, learn that names are not important, but arguments And lol i dont know you, no thats not an argument, go flame rare forum