radaring and window dragging has become more and more of an issue and it seems like nothing is being done about this. people appeal them and get 1 of 2 things..
1. no reply from a gm (cause they arnt on or mabye done care)
2. we will keep an eye on them. (how long do you even keep an eye on them for 10 min, or do you watch them when they are doing nothing or pveing where they dont need to use radar/window dragging)

also a way to help solve xrealm issue is to make it so people can ONLY play 1 realm.. since people do make other account to spy and get into active alliances.

since people do tend to use thing like broad, lfg, and alliance chat to know when relic raids are.. when someone sees it they thend to tell there friends who is on the realm being attack or they log into there char to help defend.

and same goes with things like knowing when a legion raid, dragon raid, keep takes or even guard tasks.

like when the loot from legion got stolen by a hib from alb and nothing was done about it.. even when there was proof (from screenshots) that he xrealmed to steal that loot)..

btw sorry if this seems like i'm being ****** or anything, but when you have to type things again cause the forum asks you to log back in only to lose what you type is really annoying.. also being killed 2 times by known radar users within 3 min of being rezed up too.

ps.. if this topic gets locked w/o good reason i will start a new one, if it gets deleted w/o good reason i will just repost
pps.. i dunno how your gm system is set but a new one is probly need or u really need more active gms

I don't think i've seen any incidents of radar on uthgard but maybe i've been lucky. But some people do lag really bad sometimes makes em harder to kill. And if they try to strafe you it only makes it harder to counter it or land a hit. i know i've don't my share of lag warping from time to time rarely in my favor as i tend to lag forward into groups of enemies. heh

Think in one post they gona fix the loot stealing by opposite realms.


Realm timer? maybe when a big event is going on such as a RR can't switch during it. not sure how it should be handled.

I'd like to see a 1 hour account switch timer implemented linked to the player's IP address. Should be enough time to announce significant raids or RvR info without worry, and short enough to not overly annoy players who want to switch realms for some other reason.

So much concern about x-realming that relic raid info is guarded like the crown jewels to only a handful of people. Only after the raid has begun and relics are defended do we learn of it (and usually by that time the raid is failing because they don't have enough people to start with).

As for radar/cheating, there are plenty of bans for people using 3rd party tools. Nobody knows how successful they are at catching them, but at least you get the name of the people caught unlike on live. For that, i'm thankful.

jalore yes fro some people it is just lag, but alot of them create there lag by window dragging..

moondragon the 3rd party tool could be something like using a macro to farm or craft.. doesnt mean they were banned for radar

I don't think radar is a big issue, but I agree with window dragging/lagging. And I am not talking about the usual afk/desktop sticked group player that lags off his group, there seem to be even high-RR solo players that lag (regularly!) faaar away after, say, a PA, and after that in fight react/strafe/move in the glimpse of a second without any trace of lag.

I even had a "funny" incident in Wilton yesterday, when someone came running down from the central keep and lag/drag-jumped right on top of the bridge tower to our supporters, thus avoiding the tanks guarding the way and the animist shrooms planted there.


I know this is a tricky/difficult engine problem, because really a player model should not move if it is stunned, no matter if the client tells the server "i keep on ruuuuuuuuuuuuuunning" due to lag, I guess there is no easy fix for that. But maybe there is a chance to make lagging not worthwile, maybe add a 2 seconds penalty timer for every client with > 1s delay after they "magically recover" from their lag.

shade wrote: But maybe there is a chance to make lagging not worthwile, maybe add a 2 seconds penalty timer for every client with > 1s delay after they "magically recover" from their lag.

So if i will get lag with ping higher than 1 sec, you will add 2 more seconds to server response for my computer? Do I understand well? Is not better disconnection then? (http://data.whicdn.com/images/1366680/S ... 1264130317)

My proposal was a bit of a provocation, I know it is not very realistic (btw I didn't mean add lag, but rather disable and action/keyboard input from the player).

The problem is that abusing lag (window drag or other lag generating mechanics) is hard to prove, that's why you see it more and more. I remember a Nightshade in DF that tried to persuade a bunch of other players to lag-jump up the stairs at Mid-Entrance to kill some mids on it, and did so himself several times.

The "worst" punishment I have seen so far for that was 3 day ban, which is not really much of a threat. I would definately like to see a few harder punishments (7-14 days ban maybe) for players that get "caught in the act" abusing lag/movement-mechanics repeatedly.

Personally, right now I lack a fast/big enough harddisk to fraps on a regular basis, but once I get one I will definately record a few players that regularly get "magical lag" once they see a stun incoming, that "magically" disappears when the stun wears off.

there are no consequences for sidestyle lagging and all those funny things, no answers from gm on calls and no statements

so why i should take disadvantages any longer against such idiots, seems better to get this oooozum skills also then...

sad but true

There IS a difference between dealing with game mechanics and INTENTIONALLY generating client lags.

I support neither of both, but the second has is a lot more game abusive than the first. What is the next step? Intentionally generate serverlag/DDoS/....?

Well my personal consequence is, I will keep in mind players that get this "magical lag" regular in "certain" situations, and if I am certain they do it on a regular basis, start to FRAPS their incs.

Lagging off enemy when i try stun him/her ( slam in my case) happens me quite often. I dont think it was lag abuse,its caused just my computer ( it sux obviously) and worst ping between me (my ISP) and server (his ISP). (i say 50+ms?). I dont QQ about it,i dont want point my finger on somebody for lag abuse,but it is fact it happens time from time.
And i cannot imagine how proof lag abuse,because i have lag almost at every enemy inc and how i heard,lot of people do too.. Am i suspected for lag abuse,because i lag off 7/10 inc?

Two special Midgard people use this very often when they camp hourseroute in Albion FZ(many people can attest this behauvior)
One of them even ld himself with intention while moving to a valley, so he made a fine ld/lag walk to the air and no melee could reach him, yeah.
They window drag-lag themself if some melee sticks at them to get a huge range and start casting again, while moving back to em.

But i dont think that there will be ANY reactions from the staff, so only thing that is left, to abuse this *game*-mechanic for ur one benefit.
Abuse or QQ

The idea is not that bad. A lag of >1000ms is unusual if not intended. So there should be some penalty if it still happens. I know some player use that by intent, I catched some which even have very cpu intensive or other stuff like updates in the background to produce lags. If they want to play they have to switch off anything which inferences with proper gameplay.

I see a lot of stealthers abusing that bug/cheat (especially rangers), but Also VW use this a lot.
Is definitely getting out of hand, and is completely ruining the game for everyone.
I mean, you already play a class that wins every fight no mateer what (unless you afk or completely retarded but that's another issue) and you also abuse bugs/cheat?
How much frustrated you are IRL? srlsy seek some help and don't get your frustrations in game!!

Blue wrote:The idea is not that bad. A lag of >1000ms is unusual if not intended. So there should be some penalty if it still happens. I know some player use that by intent, I catched some which even have very cpu intensive or other stuff like updates in the background to produce lags. If they want to play they have to switch off anything which inferences with proper gameplay.

Man, dont tell me you sniff in our computers and lol to second part with background updates/other stuff. This is very bad joke

tonhl wrote:I see a lot of stealthers abusing that bug/cheat (especially rangers), but Also VW use this a lot.
Is definitely getting out of hand, and is completely ruining the game for everyone.
I mean, you already play a class that wins every fight no mateer what (unless you afk or completely retarded but that's another issue) and you also abuse bugs/cheat?
How much frustrated you are IRL? srlsy seek some help and don't get your frustrations in game!!

worst flamebait ever ?