Is possible that strafe styles are still bugged? all the time i do face on a target he always strafe and side stun me,really is boring that an enemy can side stun u by front,at this point put all the stun without positional requirment,cause in the end is the same,anyway all people with positional style start to strafe and do side style or they pass through u many times and do backstyle...this thing will be the same forever?

learn to do counter measures to prevent it. There is more to a fight then auto facing someone and mashing a key or two. Plus, youd be surpised how easy it is for you to do your positionals on your enemy, who is doing this strafing. I pull that off on a few myself, when they try it on me. But anyway, just watch some fights from live, its not just about standing there.

Eclipsed wrote:learn to do counter measures to prevent it. There is more to a fight then auto facing someone and mashing a key or two. Plus, youd be surpised how easy it is for you to do your positionals on your enemy, who is doing this strafing. I pull that off on a few myself, when they try it on me. But anyway, just watch some fights from live, its not just about standing there.

yes,so there is more to a fight then autofacing some1,ok i know this,but im just curious,what u do so in a fight with 2 melee and 1 is strafing trying to do side stun on u? i don't have side stun so what i can do? i start to strafe myself too? it dont change anything,probably i give more chance to him to side stun me,i start to move a bit? done it too...im just curious cause u say there is more to do,but u haven't explained what to do in this case,so i think u are 1 of the people who start strafe,u have a ranger too so for sure u play in this manner...i prefer if some1 who don't use this bug answer to me,is easy tell to some1 to do this or that,if u are the first strafing...and just if u haven't read well,my disappoint is for the side stun...for u is right that some1 can stun u 3 or more seconds with a side stun by front using a bug,lag styles on side etc? i repeat,is easy talk if u have a ranger or anyway a class with a backstun or side stun and u use this bug all the time

Yes i do use this strat. One because i dont evade reliably to count on getting a diamondback (5sec stun). And if you dont have a side stun, doesnt mean you cant take advantage of your side style or rear style chain, if you got one, which most classes do. They have better delves. But they are not always easy to pull off and you may miss your style and do unstyle, so if your not any good at it, your better off with trying to avoid them from doing it.

And im sure someone will come on a tell you how to avoid it. Doesnt always work 100%, but does help alot. I avoid it getting done to me. For some classes like an assasin, who needs to switch out poisoned weapons and have greatly better defenses and focus on evade styles, would like a world of no moving around and playing fair by staying face to face, even if his/her enemy has lower defenses, and lack decent styles for face to face fighting.

So what class do you play.

Eclipsed wrote:Yes i do use this strat. One because i dont evade reliably to count on getting a diamondback (5sec stun). And if you dont have a side stun, doesnt mean you cant take advantage of your side style or rear style chain, if you got one, which most classes do. They have better delves. But they are not always easy to pull off and you may miss your style and do unstyle, so if your not any good at it, your better off with trying to avoid them from doing it.

And im sure someone will come on a tell you how to avoid it. Doesnt always work 100%, but does help alot. I avoid it getting done to me. For some classes like an assasin, who needs to switch out poisoned weapons and have greatly better defenses and focus on evade styles, would like a world of no moving around and playing fair by staying face to face, even if his/her enemy has lower defenses, and lack decent styles for face to face fighting.

So what class do you play.

in this moment im playing a reaver,but i have skald and savage too on mid...anyway for sure there are good side styles,but a ranger with stun or other classes with a low delay speed they can easy do 2-3 styles and i think is better doing 2-3 more styles than doing a side style with 0.90 rate but no "utility"...so for me in the end is the same,but for the 1 using this bug is a big advantage...anyway i play daoc by like 10 years and on live i wasn't with this problem,a face or moving a bit was enough,on this server i think there is more lag so people can easy land side stun etc for this,but anyway is a bug,on the begin of daoc on live who was strafing etc was appealed too sometime,was really bugged i remember...anyway if u try to get him u can miss more and at the same time he can land positional styles...really is not fair people can use this bug and no1 is telling nothing,only cause most of the people use it,it don't mean is ok use it...is the same when some caster in rvr start to circle strafe and u start to miss everything...no1 says nothing but is a bug that too...really i wish GM will fix this or do something anyway...is not right people take an advantage by the lag on the server for land some back or side stun...u can tell me u can avoid it and yes sometime it happens,but anyway is enough a bit of lag and u can be stunned easily...if for u using that bug is ok im happy for u,i think if u will be started to be chain killed by some1 who use that bug u don't say the same...u can avoid it etc,but even if sometime u avoid it,there are more chance to get stunned anyway

Well for the Reaver, you got a shield line. If you spec 42 in shield , youl get a anytime, face to face , just stand there stun. Or you could even drop shield to 35 and just use the 8sec side stun and learn to not just play face to face.

And such play was and is most likely still done on live. Here is a discussion about it, from live players.

http://daoc2.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?Th ... CRantForum

and here is a small video showing someone using strafing , often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdGnAM-tFVs

Those who can easly win face to face, find this annouying and not fair. Its not hard to learn to avoid. And the lag, isnt that bad, compared to live. Or at least i dont get that much lag on uthgard and on live. If someone is using wireless and having connection issues or a bad ISP, then that is there problem.

I would ban those strafers if it was up to me. I mean seriously, trying to win a fight by outmaneuvering their opponents instead of just sticking them and letting the RNG decide the fight, who do they think they are !? NO STRAFF!

Just move backwards and mousemove. If you have a positional youself spam it an laugh when he stuns himself.

i remember u Orphen on live (italian server).
lol, 10 years ago?
how long time ... and good days

about strafe, u are totally right, but u will be answered by ppl playing rangers, or vw that this is "skill" and that u sux or QQ etc

is like all the general situation of this server.

is useless to write, nothing will change. 90% of ppl here never played live (maybe admin too) and just take advantages to things totally broken saying u are a noob (see rangers, all rr10 with a crazy bugged char).

this is not daoc classic OLD style, this is Utghard, where new ra's are mixed with old styles, where rangers can take pd while others can't use leggendary weapons, where armsman hit less than skalds, where friars die against potions buffed stealthers (lol), or where a wannabe good vw back stun or side style every char facing him.

i know that on live the /face command make this strafers sux, always be, from day 1 of daoc, but here, the only way is walk back with sprint up while fighting (remember the sprint!) and sometimes u get back stunned (or side stunned) too ( lol but this help ) .

So if u want play Uthgard forget how was daoc on 1.6x because this is totally another thing ....

old ra's will help, but till they will not fix the basics (WS compared to evade/blockk rate and/or strafings things), this will never be a real old style experience.

last thing:
is useless to write, the day i have see a ranger kill a mercenary straight melee and a skald kill an armsman, i stopped write (and play ^^)

my 2 cents


sry for my english, i'am italian too

I agree completely with realac
the only people who think using a sidestyle stun as an anytime is fair and "skilled" are people with sidestyle stuns!
But yea uthgard is very weird and for every bonus that Uthgard has over Live servers their seems to be as many bugs.

--SMs intercepting pet
--Strafestuns
--WS (block/evade rate, especially with unspecced sheild)
--Polearm/LW/CS/2hnd damage
--Unequal Buffpotions/Charges and their unequal effects e.g. they hinder casual gamers that cant give time to farming them AND midgard can very easily get Str/Con charge item whilst the others realms cant, AND certain classes gain alot more benefit from them than other classes.
--Wizards (they are totally unplayable)
--Animist Bombers
--Variance of proc damage in Reaver/VW proc styles
--Mob Damage and hence Pet Damage is too low
--AMG being the only RvR chokepoint.


When will they be fixed, don't hold your breath.

It's actually livelike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNEI1lL4nqA


Less whining more countering imo.

Zarkor wrote:It's actually livelike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNEI1lL4nqA


Less whining more countering imo.

/sign

Blitze wrote:...AND midgard can very easily get Str/Con charge item whilst the others realms cant,.

if you mean the S/C charge from malmohus or raumanik...THAN you are wrong...staff took the charge from these items..because they realized the imbalance.

Musikus wrote:

Blitze wrote:...AND midgard can very easily get Str/Con charge item whilst the others realms cant,.

if you mean the S/C charge from malmohus or raumanik...THAN you are wrong...staff took the charge from these items..because they realized the imbalance.

S/C charge still realises imbalance, just in another way now.

do the darkref...turn to your side and let them do their side stun. Then after the stun has expired, destroy them.