I would like to see some changes to the relics. The way they are here they have becomes static. They so rarely change. I think this would do a lot for the rvr situation as well. It seems so many Mids have gravitated to Ablion lately. They leave because every Mid relic raid gets zerged by triple or more albs. Perhaps we could lower the guard levels a bit? The current relic system has put a stranglehold on the underdog realms. It just doesn't make much sense. If the relics would change from time to time, then not so many people would be realm hopping.

The longer the problem goes unchecked the worse it's going to get too. At the rate the current statistics have been going eventually Alb will be full of all RR10+ and Mid and Hib wont even be able to break RR3. The system is failing and it's because of very obvious reasons.

Relics change hands, the problem isnt the relics, it's the realm hoppers that follow them and the lack of participation when attempting to capture them. I think that's apparent to some albs which is why some won't defend depending on which relics are being attacked and whose attacking them.

Well, get your people together. Last alb relic raid that got the 3 magic relics, there were over 100 albs. If you stand in Myrddin with 100 Mids we probably wont be able to defend either, Excalibur might be another story. Dont expect to raid relic with 3 fg.

But yeah, on live servers relic guard defenses were severly weakend if one realm got all 6 relics. They couldnt keep them for long.

The amount of "WTJs" is annyoing, spam all day long in trade chat from people wanting to trade their Mid/Hib for Alb accounts, less and less enemies to fight.

Relic guards a problem?

Haha, good joke - everys Relic I see from mids the Guards get bugged anywhere in no where with single Roots.

Enjoy this topic, cya.

Caldrian wrote:The amount of "WTJs" is annyoing, spam all day long in trade chat from people wanting to trade their Mid/Hib for Alb accounts, less and less enemies to fight.

That's pretty lame. I'd forbid crossrealm account trading, it should put an end to this trash attitude. :-/

Healowner wrote:

Caldrian wrote:The amount of "WTJs" is annyoing, spam all day long in trade chat from people wanting to trade their Mid/Hib for Alb accounts, less and less enemies to fight.

That's pretty lame. I'd forbid crossrealm account trading, it should put an end to this trash attitude. :-/

Agree. All problems come with xrealmers.

Healowner wrote:

Caldrian wrote:The amount of "WTJs" is annyoing, spam all day long in trade chat from people wanting to trade their Mid/Hib for Alb accounts, less and less enemies to fight.

That's pretty lame. I'd forbid crossrealm account trading, it should put an end to this trash attitude. :-/

Meh seems futile. I think the big majority of people that plays in other realms have levelled chars themselves.

Anyway on-topic. I don't see why it should be revised. If Albs have all the relics it means they did the effort of making a decent raid. And tbh it's not like the relic bonus makes it impossible for another realm to raid them back. But I have to stay I care little for relics and I'd never let them decide what realm I play but I can understand the annoyance at people who hop on the alb-bandwagon.

Astealoth, the whole point of relics are that they are hard to get, but worth doing the effort.

I dont see a flaw in the current system, 4 weeks ago Hibernia had all relics and then that was a problem

If you want to get them back, talk to 10-15 guildmasters, agree a time and day. dont let any1(but the Guildmasters) know what you are planning, just that every guild leader tells their members to be there..
and on the way to Alb/Hib inform them whats going on.
This can be done with 3fg, without any defenders but with... my guess would be 12fg+

anyways i dont like the idea of the relics switching owners automaticly.
I dont see that xrealmers are anyones problem, just dont tell them what you are about to do.

This is ofc my opinion and i reserve the right to be wrong

Good luck!
Dar

Healowner wrote:

Caldrian wrote:The amount of "WTJs" is annyoing, spam all day long in trade chat from people wanting to trade their Mid/Hib for Alb accounts, less and less enemies to fight.

That's pretty lame. I'd forbid crossrealm account trading, it should put an end to this trash attitude. :-/

I don't really like that acc-trading things either, but it should not influence the balance between realms...I mean, the players trading their accs dont delete the non-alb-chars afterwards...if some1 trades hib for alb there's +1 and -1 player on both sides, which doesn't influence player-numbers at all...the bigger problem are realm hoppers, which have several accs in 2 or maybe 3 realms and switch to the currently most promising one (currently alb with 6 relics)...

if more ppl went to RvR this wouldn't be a problem either, as albs would soon notice, that there's not enough enemies and enemies would be happy to farm the mass of alb players..so sooner or later rvr-albs would hop back to their original realm...just theory though as alb is pretty much PvEish...

edit, to be on topic:
I don't think the relic guards should be changed in any way...maybe the live-like-thingie, as some1 stated in this thread, that a realm with 6 relics should have weaker guards....and maybe the link between own keeps and relic guards should be implemented...any other change shouldn't be necessary...especially myrrdin is pretty hard to defend as most ppl wouldn't like to travel so far just because "maybe" some RR is going on...so, as some1 said in this thread as well, if 50-100 ppl would attack myrrdin at a not so primetimeish time we'd have no chance, as the relic would be gone before enough defenders would be there...more so if the RR is well organised and there's interception of incoming defenders etc...

i agree that relics do not really matter with theyr just 5% bonus per enemy relic, this should be changed back to 10%. Then people would care about relics!

But togehter with some other fixes, like no logging in in a relic keep under siege, my often proclaimed live like extra uber guards per keep (which lvl decrease with more relics, with 6 relics for example the uber guards would be just normal guards), kill messages only from those uber guards, no more realm wide relic under siege message...

The way it is its best to let the relic bonus at 5%, so just the realmhoppers care about them

for sure it would be possible to raid the relics. Main problem in midgard is the organisation of relic raids via /broad or /lfg. This relic raids are doomed from the beginning 'cause of x-realmers.
a lot of active rvr players don't want to participate in such relic raids, since they have better things to do with theyr time than to spend RP's to x-realmers.
So all you get togehter are 3 grps of more or less casual rvr players after hours of gathering via /broad, fail is bound to occur.

holsten-knight wrote:for sure it would be possible to raid the relics. Main problem in midgard is the organisation of relic raids via /broad or /lfg. This relic raids are doomed from the beginning 'cause of x-realmers.
a lot of active rvr players don't want to participate in such relic raids, since they have better things to do with theyr time than to spend RP's to x-realmers.
So all you get togehter are 3 grps of more or less casual rvr players after hours of gathering via /broad, fail is bound to occur.

all the realms face that problem...I think the point is, that alb has a lot of good leaders which know how to organise an RR...doing this ofer /broad is really doomed, so why bother?..there's /tell etc. o_O

Last try of mid relic raid on Merlin Keep was succesfull till we got enough people to defend, i was the first on reach keep after some spam of guard on board and we had no notice of attack, at least they got trust people that dont xrealm that time ^^, should be proud of that.

say what you wish but this current system it is not possible for midgard to get a relic. after dozens of tries i can say this as fact. i have seen the /who 1 50 count drop by half when i've called for a relic raid. the extreme levels of xrealming caused by this relic system has crippled midgard. i really think it could use some attention. a very large part of the community would rather log an alb toon and farm us than join my BG.

zaszeadora wrote:Last try of mid relic raid on Merlin Keep was succesfull till we got enough people to defend,

how else should it be? wiping due to guards?

Astealoth wrote:the extreme levels of xrealming caused by this relic system has crippled midgard.

why is this a midgard-problem in particular?...every realm has to deal with xrealming

Astealoth wrote:say what you wish but this current system it is not possible for midgard to get a relic. after dozens of tries i can say this as fact. i have seen the /who 1 50 count drop by half when i've called for a relic raid. the extreme levels of xrealming caused by this relic system has crippled midgard. i really think it could use some attention. a very large part of the community would rather log an alb toon and farm us than join my BG.

Again, my advice is to never advertise that we are about to take Relic.
There was sumilar problems on Live-Excalibur server, we had Spy's in each realm, so people kept raids in secret.

Organize in secret and gl