Looking at the LWRP wizards get exactly zero, thing is that eldritches (which are similar in specs) do decently well. Any reason for this other than "lol I don't want a silly wizard in my uber 8man"?

Eldritch is a pure utility caster. You cannot compare them both.

Wiz has nothing then a strong single nuke, root and if ice a
bomb+snarenuke.
Eld has (lightspecced):

- strong single nuke
- red nearsight (65%) + grey ns for rupting
- single+ae desease
- a bomb strong enough to destroy pets
- ae d/q debuff
- ae s/c debuff
- ae snarenuke for assist trains
- emergency ae mezz (ok this one is pretty weak, but can be usefull)
- and of course the single stun



As you can see there are reasons for sure

Helawow wrote:Eldritch is a pure utility chaster. You cannot compare them both.

Wiz has nothing then single nuke, root and if ice a bomb+snarenuke.
Eld has (lightspecced):

- strong single nuke
- red nearsight (65%) + grey ns for rupting
- single+ae desease
- a bomb strong enough to destroy pets
- ae d/q debuff
- ae s/c debuff
- ae snarenuke for assist trains
- emergency ae mezz (ok this one is pretty weak, but can be usefull)
- and of course the single stun



As you can see there are reasons for sure

Wizard should be the best nuker, but a 3 spec cabby makes almost the same dmg (or more) of a 50 spec fire wiz...

Something wrong i think...

On live wiz has also ns on earth line and heat debuff on the spec dd.

U can't compare eld to wiz because wiz is badly nerfed here.

Holavez

He's not badly nerfed, as this is the wizard class as it were long times on live ago (bolts excluded as they dont work properly) ... and so is the eld

Helawow wrote:He's not badly nerfed, as this is the wizard class as it were long times on live ago (bolts excluded as they dont work properly) ... and so is the eld

Long times ago on live i had 300k rps x week with wiz, here 0 because can't find grp (not much dmg as it should be and no utility).

Something is really wrong, the best "old-days" nuker is a crap here...

Holavez

Wizards are not nerfed but nobdoy plays with at least 2 firewizards and a sorc for 30% heat debuff. Maybe we will see icer groups when old moc and vp are around

Ronian wrote:Wizards are not nerfed but nobdoy plays with at least 2 firewizards and a sorc for 30% heat debuff. Maybe we will see icer groups when old moc and vp are around

I could one shot a caster with bolt on old days, here if i hit i make 390-450 dmg, a damn crap.

NB: It's better to take a 3 spec cabby, same dmg and more utility like eld...

Holavez

I agree with wizard bolt dmg being wierd. On Live back around 2003. At no point during my leveling experience did my spec DD out dmg my spec Bolt. On uthgard around lvl 38-40 my spec DD did more dmg then my spec bolt. Bolt dmg is definitely much less then it should be, I'm not sure if its just related to fire wiz, or if void elds and runecarving runemasters experience the same issue.

splitfire wrote:I agree with wizard bolt dmg being wierd. On Live back around 2003. At no point during my leveling experience did my spec DD out dmg my spec Bolt. On uthgard around lvl 38-40 my spec DD did more dmg then my spec bolt. Bolt dmg is definitely much less then it should be, I'm not sure if its just related to fire wiz, or if void elds and runecarving runemasters experience the same issue.

all bolt dmg is not working correctly, have been confirmed by blue I think

yea, bolt deal same damage or less then direct damage. And anyway as Cyan says, wizard should have NS on earth spec and 15% debuff on DD. You says to play with 2 wizard and a sorc with 30%? why runemasters don need to do this? why eld too? why an enchanter (speaking about soloing) deal more damage with PBAOE and Single Target cuz of debuff, same if he use base dd on light spec?

ns comes much later with patch 1,9 +++
for wizards

Cyan wrote:I could one shot a caster with bolt on old days, here if i hit i make 390-450 dmg, a damn crap.

maybe on targets without SC amor / resists

but imo NEVER vs 26% or even 50% resists

Night wrote:ns comes much later with patch 1,9 +++
for wizards

It's not that much later

Wizard love (NS, heat debuff dd, ... ) was patch 1.83, but as we currently run 1.80 and going back to 1.69 which was 2 years before 1.83... no wizard love here.

Caldrian wrote:Wizard love (NS, heat debuff dd, ... ) was patch 1.83, but as we currently run 1.80 and going back to 1.69 which was 2 years before 1.83... no wizard love here.

Yeah and same can be said for another dozen classes that are left out it in the cold.