Hi,

[Disclaimer:]As you all know this is a heated topic ever since staff announced OF RAs. Before I start I want to make a few things clear so we don't derail this thread:
This is NOT about whether or not staff will implement a form of Det of Hybrids or customises Old RAs at all. This thread is simply about what YOU think would be the best solution for this subject, regardless of the staff's opinion.


Ok, I'm glad we've been able to conclude that the best solution for this issue (in a lot of our opinions) would be the following:

- Valewalkers
- Champions
- Wardens
- Thanes
- Reavers
- Friars
- Paladin Added on request by Zarkor after lock
(the Hybrids who receive Det with NF RAs)

Receive a combination of the Old RA det cost and the New RA det values.

More specificly:
Determination 1: 4% CC reduction [1pt]
Determination 2: 8% CC reduction [2pts]
Determination 3: 20% CC reduction [3pts]
Determination 4: 38% CC reduction [6pts]
Determination 5: 55% CC reduction [10pts]



Thanks for your input everyone!

Maybe they should receive only det4 at a max or it should cost more points. I would like also see mos 1 2 and 3 like the new mos and available for Rangers too

No need for Det with Skalds and Minstrels.

Ronian wrote:Maybe they should receive only det4 at a max or it should cost more points. I would like also see mos 1 2 and 3 like the new mos and available for Rangers too

You could make a OF RA stealther thead thingy to discuss that.

I think det4 is a bit too much though. Especially if you don't rescale the costs you will grant the Hybrids a bit TOO much imo.

The idea isn't bad but the staff will probably mind it as a custom change which will not be done

Artefact wrote:The idea isn't bad but the staff will probably mind it as a custom change which will not be done

I said:
"[Disclaimer:]As you all know this is a heated topic ever since staff announced OF RAs. Before I start I want to make a few things clear so we don't derail this thread:
This is NOT about whether or not staff will implement a form of Det of Hybrids or customises Old RAs at all. This thread is simply about what YOU think would be the best solution for this subject, regardless of the staff's opinion."


Well done for a mod...

Nymeros wrote:No need for Det with Skalds and Minstrels.

Why not?

It will not impact their overall groupability significantly, they either get a group because of speed or they don't. If you don't want them for speed there are several better classes to have, with or without Det.

Not to mention that even though this is a Let's Wish For It topic, there is no way that the staff would even consider something so custom. We have no idea if they'll even consider traditional hybrids (who don't have speed going for them ) for Det, let alone this.

Nymeros wrote:It will not impact their overall groupability significantly, they either get a group because of speed or they don't. If you don't want them for speed there are several better classes to have, with or without Det.

True, though having speed to offer to grps is in my opinion no need to make them underperform compared to other Hybrids with Det.

Nymeros wrote:Not to mention that even though this is a Let's Wish For It topic, there is no way that the staff would even consider something so custom. We have no idea if they'll even consider traditional hybrids (who don't have speed going for them ) for Det, let alone this.

It's not a "Let's Wish For It" topic, it's a "Let's Work Try Working This Out Regardless" topic.

Exactly, we have no idea whether they will, that's why it's useless to talk about it.

Either give champ and reaver same det as savage, or remove det from savage.

Lesser det for either all hybrids (including savege who is also a hybrid) who got det in NF or no det for all including savage.

The fact that this change is goning to make so much classes useless now is unforgivable.

Bard also gets purge 3 and should not get det, just like minstrel and skald.
Apart from that i second your opinion Zarkor.

Greetings
Ensiferum

EnsisFerrum wrote:Bard also gets purge 3 and should not get det, just like minstrel and skald.
Apart from that i second your opinion Zarkor.

Greetings
Ensiferum

Good point.

Yeah sure zarkor, that's why I said that I agreed you

Zarkor wrote:Ok, so, my opinion on how to do this is the following:

Give the following classes access to the NF Det (= higher cost, lower return, max= 55% CC reduction for 34 pts):
- Champion
- Valewalker
- Warden
- Thane
- Skald
- Reaver
- Friar
- Minstrel

Well...
I would say either higher costs or lower value. 34 RA points, 55% value vs 22 RA points with 75% value... Sure hybrids atm wont get ANY det but... Lets be honest. Do we want to "balance" this issue or just pretend to do so?

I dont have anything smart to say about skald/minstrel.

*offtop*
It wont come anyway^^

Cespx wrote:Well...
I would say either higher costs or lower value. 34 RA points, 55% value vs 22 RA points with 75% value... Sure hybrids atm wont get ANY det but... Lets be honest. Do we want to "balance" this issue or just pretend to do so?

I'm not quite with you here, what exactly do you mean?

Zarkor wrote:

Cespx wrote:Well...
I would say either higher costs or lower value. 34 RA points, 55% value vs 22 RA points with 75% value... Sure hybrids atm wont get ANY det but... Lets be honest. Do we want to "balance" this issue or just pretend to do so?

I'm not quite with you here, what exactly do you mean?

I mean that some of hybrids are already gimped in 1.69 patch. So giving them ~OF det4 for almost tripple cost isnt fair^^

Anyway.
AH nvm^^
But you know what i think how this topic will influence our GMs^^