So this has been my first day back in a couple months, and the stealth war looks something like this:

Ranger
Ranger
Ranger
Ranger
Nightshade (high RR)
Ranger
Ranger
Ranger
Ranger

Where'd all the Nightshades go?

they all rerolled to Shar/Celt rangers -.-

is insane

Im xping a nightshade atm

You have chosen wrongly.

i SAY ROFL.

Ranger > NS. This is the reason.

vangonaj wrote:Ranger > NS. This is the reason.

Not vs SB but vs Thane and Reaver if no purge up yes because of ip^^

This being a non buff server, the ranger my look far better then the ns, but that isnt true. A ranger maybe good with his PD, high melee spec, vs an assasin without the proper spec and RAs. But high poisons + viper, and a smart play style can out do a ranger. But some people are tempted at the easyer play, thinking the rangers self buffs is that great, and Physical Defense is an I win. Compared to the NS and what they get. Now look at the other realms, with SB and hunter and Infi and Scout. Well some my prefer the SB to the Hunter because of the better dmg out put, compared to 2h spear hunter, and Infi with there extra spec points and higher dmg then scout. But all the NS has over the ranger is there weak magic, and that is why its more common to see more melee rangers. Has nothing to do with OP rangers or something like that, just the other assaisns are more appealing compared to there archer counter part.

Ranger is Uthgards Vamp imo

Eclipsed wrote:This being a non buff server, the ranger my look far better then the ns, but that isnt true. A ranger maybe good with his PD, high melee spec, vs an assasin without the proper spec and RAs. But high poisons + viper, and a smart play style can out do a ranger. But some people are tempted at the easyer play, thinking the rangers self buffs is that great, and Physical Defense is an I win. Compared to the NS and what they get. Now look at the other realms, with SB and hunter and Infi and Scout. Well some my prefer the SB to the Hunter because of the better dmg out put, compared to 2h spear hunter, and Infi with there extra spec points and higher dmg then scout. But all the NS has over the ranger is there weak magic, and that is why its more common to see more melee rangers. Has nothing to do with OP rangers or something like that, just the other assaisns are more appealing compared to there archer counter part.

awesome

i'm pretty sure 95% people disagree with you, maybe because all you have is theory daoc and very little ingame experience of uthgard, yet write on here as if you are the only person to ever know how to play rangers

Ronian wrote:

vangonaj wrote:Ranger > NS. This is the reason.

Not vs SB but vs Thane and Reaver if no purge up yes because of ip^^

If sb isn´t viper user, ranger is very hard enemie.

I always find it funny that people try to defend melee rangers. They are easily the most OP stealther. Lets see why:

You state "because this is a non buffbot server" but Mythic has already stated that the self buffs classes got were to balance them against other classes as they are. We all know buffed >>>>> non buffed, so this is clearly a design flaw. To top it off, they get arguably 3 of the best buffs a stealther could ever want. Spec af, dex/qui, and damage add.

What other melee focused class gets access to PD besides each realm's bow user? none. Rangers are way out there because they also happen to have the biggest damage output potential via DW even BEFORE the DA compared to their other realm counterparts. So PD + Highest damage available to the same archetype is fair? Although I wont argue "It shouldnt be on uthgard," Mythic removed PD from archers because after seeing how rediculously OP it is, they had to.

PD OR IP I could see. Both? You are essentially making your HP pool vs physical attacks (a huge majority of what a melee ranger will face) almost double what it would be, if not more with just these 2 abilities. (Again, which no other melee archetype has)

If that wasnt bad enough, they can very easily spec to be efficient at range as well, easily wearing down anyone until they are in melee range. Again, no other archetype has this ability.

Against assassins, Mos makes it so they either A) have high viper and get lucky, or B) they die with little to no effort since rangers melee is so head and shoulders above assassins.

RR5+ ranger vs rr5+ any assassin, id bet on the ranger every single time. Hell I had a melee ranger way back in OF on live and after rr5 it was very very strong. This was BEFORE IP and with buffbots....

The final sentence should say PD not IP

DarkKngz is totally true ... Even agains't a rr5 ranger i must straff and use add dmg for have a chance to win . With volley lot of rangers had a free rr7 .. and now they respec melee and still too powereful . Some sbs stop play uthgard only because of rangers ;/

Eclipse still blabla with theoric but that's a fact , ranger IS overpowered

DarkKnghtZ wrote:I always find it funny that people try to defend melee rangers. They are easily the most OP stealther. Lets see why:

You state "because this is a non buffbot server" but Mythic has already stated that the self buffs classes got were to balance them against other classes as they are. We all know buffed >>>>> non buffed, so this is clearly a design flaw. To top it off, they get arguably 3 of the best buffs a stealther could ever want. Spec af, dex/qui, and damage add.

What other melee focused class gets access to PD besides each realm's bow user? none. Rangers are way out there because they also happen to have the biggest damage output potential via DW even BEFORE the DA compared to their other realm counterparts. So PD + Highest damage available to the same archetype is fair? Although I wont argue "It shouldnt be on uthgard," Mythic removed PD from archers because after seeing how rediculously OP it is, they had to.

PD OR IP I could see. Both? You are essentially making your HP pool vs physical attacks (a huge majority of what a melee ranger will face) almost double what it would be, if not more with just these 2 abilities. (Again, which no other melee archetype has)

If that wasnt bad enough, they can very easily spec to be efficient at range as well, easily wearing down anyone until they are in melee range. Again, no other archetype has this ability.

Against assassins, Mos makes it so they either A) have high viper and get lucky, or B) they die with little to no effort since rangers melee is so head and shoulders above assassins.

RR5+ ranger vs rr5+ any assassin, id bet on the ranger every single time. Hell I had a melee ranger way back in OF on live and after rr5 it was very very strong. This was BEFORE IP and with buffbots....

Totally agree, and they no spend time, money or bp in bufs.