There is so much topic about rangers and nothing change , a rr5 celtic dual specced ranger can kill with no problem any tank ; it's maybe time to stop this joke .
I'm rr10 now , got mopain 4 , strengh 4 ,viper2 and 50 LA and i play with all charges ( s/c ; d/q , haste, af , + str/dext/con pots )
I hit with dragonmight and my sc is perfect , 70 damage on rr4 ranger , he hit me for 120
Now , a lot of ranger will arguing with ubba calculate about weaponskill , PD etc but this is pointless : the fact is ranger IS OVERPOWERED, you said sb was too strong, 1 week later Borealis cold proc was removed..
So now a nerf would be necessary.

Just give old ras.

I doubt there will be balance possible with 1.8 limit and nf ras and no custom changes. Go daoc 1.10+ or old ras.

Mythic included many nice things later for more balance (including the removal of PD for archers for example...).

l2p noir : P

OF RAs fixes this, and the problem with all assassins having access to passive Viper.


I'm surprised rangers don't die more to SBs who run 50 composite venom in their template (removes DoT variance since the game checks at time of application) with Viper3 and swap both hands each round. That's can be a 250 point per round DA if you swap both hands (and land both too).


Either way, OF RAs imo.

rr10 and still whining? some things will never change. remove pd? lol sure and keep viper 3, purge 3 and so on bla bla.

btw you should learn that mid leather is vulnerable to blades, just saying


edit even with old ras, melee blade ranger will do 120+ or more dmg on your mid leather.

Noir is getting killed by rangers

Noir wrote:There is so much topic about rangers and nothing change , a rr5 celtic dual specced ranger can kill with no problem any tank ; it's maybe time to stop this joke .
I'm rr10 now , got mopain 4 , strengh 4 ,viper2 and 50 LA and i play with all charges ( s/c ; d/q , haste, af , + str/dext/con pots )
I hit with dragonmight and my sc is perfect , 70 damage on rr4 ranger , he hit me for 120
Now , a lot of ranger will arguing with ubba calculate about weaponskill , PD etc but this is pointless : the fact is ranger IS OVERPOWERED, you said sb was too strong, 1 week later Borealis cold proc was removed..
So now a nerf would be necessary.

I hope you're not talking about the fight against a shar in front of MPK where you vanished, cause he was a nightshade.
But yeah, he had an elf ranger with him that I fought while I was fully buffed and just couldn't do much.

Amadeth wrote:I hope you're not talking about the fight against a shar in front of MPK where you vanished, cause he was a nightshade.

Shar can't be nightshare, so if he was a stealther he was a ranger

It wouldnt matter what RR you are as a SB vs a ranger, the ranger is still going to do the same dmg vs you. You cant get PD or anything to lower physcial dmg or raise resist or anything like that. You can get high toughness and aug con to make up for it, but they will still hit you hard. Also if your using slash dmg vs ranger, your getting -10% dmg, while a blade ranger is getting +10% dmg. And you have to remember, ranger get PD and they have allwes gotten it, it works just like it should and if you think they should remove it because they did on new archery , then why not give us free buffs by way of archery line, new shot types and all that. I find it funny that the highest RPLW SB, who has more RPLW then most players is complaining. I guess such player expects to win all fights with no trouble. Remember what many people like to say to rangers, there is just some classes your not suppose to kill, i guess the ranger is on of them for you lol.

This thread is pointless because there is no bug reported, just requesting custom nerfing. Find actual bugs and report them, if there is none, then find out why its not live like and report that.

ok..than think of this..

why can a ranger do MORE damage with mainhand on me than a fulltank with 2H/pole?

ranger was RR6, used thrust rapier 3.9 mainhand
armsman was RR6L5, used thrust pole 5.9, full buffed from a cleric

this ranger did 210 damage on me, and i have PD5 (and being vulnarable to thrust)
armsi did less than 170..oh..and i talk about hits on the same part of armour

will / can you explain me this?
a ranger doing more damage than a fulltank with same damage type mainhand only?

Musikus wrote:ok..than think of this..

why can a ranger do MORE damage with mainhand on me than a fulltank with 2H/pole?

ranger was RR6, used thrust rapier 3.9 mainhand
armsman was RR6L5, used thrust pole 5.9, full buffed from a cleric

this ranger did 210 damage on me, and i have PD5 (and being vulnarable to thrust)
armsi did less than 170..oh..and i talk about hits on the same part of armour

will / can you explain me this?
a ranger doing more damage than a fulltank with same damage type mainhand only?

Prove it.

Musikus wrote:ok..than think of this..

why can a ranger do MORE damage with mainhand on me than a fulltank with 2H/pole?

ranger was RR6, used thrust rapier 3.9 mainhand
armsman was RR6L5, used thrust pole 5.9, full buffed from a cleric

this ranger did 210 damage on me, and i have PD5 (and being vulnarable to thrust)
armsi did less than 170..oh..and i talk about hits on the same part of armour

will / can you explain me this?
a ranger doing more damage than a fulltank with same damage type mainhand only?

Like I've had to say to Glacius about 1000 times, you can't judge dmg, or dmg mitigation by 1 hit.


If you think there is something wrong with ranger, or armsman dmg, you need to do extensive testing not look at 1 hit.

Neju wrote:

Amadeth wrote:I hope you're not talking about the fight against a shar in front of MPK where you vanished, cause he was a nightshade.

Shar can't be nightshare, so if he was a stealther he was a ranger

you're right. then he was a ranger I suppose. I witnessed him fighting Noir (one of the two SBs I really fear) and it was just ridiculous to see Noir bailing from the fight.

Just to add that rangers are BY FAR the worst damn adders on the server. They have absolutely no respect towards anyone, or any 1vs1 fight.

all these ranger are mid alts

SB had Aruora Borealis removed cause they were not supposed to have that in the first place. Thats why it was such an immediate fix. That was never supposed to be. You can see for yourself by digging a bit into DAOC history.

I see alot of ignorant players posting here suggesting the Old RA again as a fix and i can only laugh to myself. First the only thing that need to be fixed is the Archer's incorrectly functioning class\equipment and second, just like the addition of Old Frontiers and the discontent with it , Old RA's too will bring unseen problems for those wishing for it.

Hey, if you guys want to really go old school ... what you think of going back to the days of Hibernia Bard is the only class in the game with endurance regens?